One of the seeming paradoxes that comes through in this Bill Gates interview is that the more optimistic one tends to be about vaccines and treatments the more one tends to be *against* opening back up right now—and hence one can seem more pessimistic.
Gates is quite optimistic about treatments and vaccines and quite against opening up right now. Conversely, you'll read takes that are like "we may never get a vaccine... so we might as well open back up and learn how to live it."
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