The Lebron>Kobe Thread
(Final Debate)

Kobe vs LeBron:
PPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
Points Per Shot: LeBron
Total Shot %: LeBron
(1/4)

3PT%: LeBron
Free Throw%: Kobe
Player Efficiency Rating: LeBron
Career +/-: LeBron
Final MVPs: LeBron
MVPs: LeBron
Rings: Kobe
(2/4)

Playoff Averages:
PPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
3PT%: LeBron
Double&Triple Doubles: LeBron
(3/4)

Career Total Win Shares: LeBron
Win shares per 48 minutes: LeBron
Career season Triple Doubles: LeBron
Minutes: LeBron
EFG%: LeBron
(4/4)

LeBron vs Kobe Head to Head
LeBron=16-6
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: Kobe
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FreeThrow%: Kobe

LeBron plays better head to head than Kobe:

Notable Head to Heads:
2008
LeBron 41pts, 9reb, 4ast, 2stl, .500 FG%
Kobe: 33pts, 12reb, 6ast, 1blk, .476 FG%

LeBron owns Kobe head to head

"LBJ doesn't have the killer instinct Kobe does"

Killer instinct is coming up big when your team needs you. These next tweets prove he does

Career Elimination Game Averages:
LeBron: 32.5 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 7.1 APG, 46.4 FG%
Kobe: 21.5 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 3.5 APG, 41.2 FG%

CLUTCH MAMBA

Elimination Games:
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron

LeBron is the best when facing elimination

Game 7's
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron

The King

LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe.

Seasons +25 PPG on +50% FG
MJ: 7
LeBron: 7
Kobe: 0

+25 PPG on +47% FG
LeBron: 13
Kobe: 0

30 point playoff games:
MJ: 109
LeBron: 90
Kobe: 89

40 point playoff games:
LeBron 18
Kobe: 11

40 point Final games:
LeBron: 5
Kobe: 1

Prime Stats:
LeBron: 27.7 PPG, 50.5 FG%, 19.8 FGA
Kobe: 28.1 PPG, 45.4 FG%, 21.6 FGA

LeBron was a better scorer in his prime.

Game tying/go ahead field goal final 24 seconds of 4th QT/OT in PS career:

Michael Jordan: 7/15 47%
LeBron: 9 /23 35%
Kobe Bryant: 5/22 23%

LeBron's averages vs the "tough" west:
27.3 PPG
7.3 RPG
7 APG
50.90 FG%
Kobe's averages vs the "weak" east:
23 PPG
5 RPG
4.7 APG
43.9 FG%

Pau & Lamar combined stats 2009-2010 Finals
PPG 29.9
APG 4.9
RPG 19.9
SPG 1.3
BPG 3.1
FG% 52.8
Average PER 19.9
Combined WS 12.9
MPG 35.3

Performance against 65+ win teams in the NBA Finals:
LeBron: 33 PPG, 13 RPG, 9 APG, 45 FG%
Kobe: 25 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 5 APG, 40 FG%
Jordan: N/A

Shaq 2000-2002 Finals:
36 PPG and 15.2 RPG

Bosh and Wade 2011-2014 Finals:
35 PPG and 13 RPG COMBINED

"LeBron has so much help"

Kobe 2004 Finals:
22.6 PPG
2.8 RPG
4.4 APG
1.8 SPG
.381 FG% (43/114) LOL
.174 3PT% (4/23) LOL
.456 TS%
.398 EFG%
"Clutch"

Finals Averages
LeBron- 29.8 PPG, 7.1 APG, 9.7 RPG
.459 FG%, 1.8 SPG, 0.8 BPG
Kobe- 25.2 PPG, 5.1 APG, 5.6 RPG
.417 FG%, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG

LBJ vs Kyrie in their Finals:
PPG:LBJ
RPG:LBJ
APG:LBJ
SPG:LBJ
BPG:LBJ

LBJ vs Wade in the Finals:
PPG:LBJ
RPG:LBJ
APG:LBJ
SPG:LBJ
BPG:LBJ

Through 13 regular seasons LeBron has surpassed Kobe:

LeBron 2016 Finals >Kobe 2010 Finals:

4th quarters of 09-10 finals
Kobe: 22-74 (29.7%)
Pau: 20-34 (58.8%)

Pau bails out Kobe

2012 ECF Game 6 vs Celtics
45 pts
15 rebs
5 asts
-Sat most of 4th after huge lead
-Down 3-2 facing elimination
-Biggest pressure of all-time

"East is trash" "West is tough"

Players with 10 PS shot to tie/take the lead FGA in last 24 sec of Q4/OT since '97.
-LeBron most FGM and 2nd best %
-Look at Kobe LOL

Kobe In the Finals:
333/808 FG (41%)

Kobe in 5 Title Clinchers:
38/108 FG (35%)

Kobe in Elimination Games:
157/367 FG (41%)

"Clutch tho"

Kobe holds many NBA records:

Kobe in Game 7's:
43/113 (38%)

Kobe on Playoff Game Winners:
7/28 (25%) LMAO

"Clutch tho"
¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

LeBron: 2003-2004 Rookie of the Year.
Kobe: No Rookie of the Year.

Advanced Stats
LeBron:
PER: 27.6
USG%: 32
WS/48: .239%
TS%: .584%
TOV%: 12.8

Kobe:
PER: 22.9
USG%: 31.8
WS/48: .170
TS%: .550
TOV%: 11.6

LeBron age 22-32 in 4thQ/OT:
Highest FG%
LeBron: .536%
Kobe: .457%
Lowest FG%
LeBron: .471%
Kobe: .396%
Times w .500 EFG%:
LeBron: 9
Kobe: 0

LeBron 2016 Finals:

-Came back from the first 3-1 lead against the Unanimous MVP

-Arguably the greatest performance in a NBA Finals ever

2016 NBA Finals:
LeBron in his last 3 games:
36 PPG
11.5 RPG
9.5 APG
51 FG%
42 3PT%

Wins third Finals MVP

LeBron 4th Quarter AVGs 2016 Finals:
8.1 PPG
2.9 RPG
1.7 APG
0.1 SPG
0.7 BPG
22-44 FG (50%)
10-13 FT (76.9%)

Since 2002-2003
Most PPG in 4th Quarter
1. Lebron: 7.5
2. Kobe: 7.4
3. KD: 6.6
4. Wade: 6.3
5. Kyrie: 6.2
6. A.I: 6.2
7. Dame Lillard: 6.2

Cleveland w/o LeBron in the Lineup:
'08: 0-7
'09: 0-1
'10: 1-5
'11: 19-63
'12: 21-45
'13: 24-58
'14: 33-49
'15: 3-10
'16: 1-5
'17: 0-8

With Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love + No LeBron= Cavs Net Efficiency is -14.9
(Would rank last in NBA).

Times Knocked out the playoffs rounds 2 or fewer:
Kobe: 8
LeBron: 3 (Never 1st)
Times missed playoffs:
Kobe: 4
LeBron: 2

LeBron was robbed many MVPs:

When it doesn't matter the most:

9 straight 40 point games in the 2002-2003
season.

4 straight 50 point games in the 2006-2007 season.

LeBron's playoff stats vs #1 defense:
30.4 PPG
8.6 RPG
6.5 APG
1.6 SPG
1.2 BPG
46.2 FG%
32 3PT%
74.2 FT%

"LeBron has no competition"

James supporting cast ranks last 30 Finals:
2016: 30th
2015: 58th
2013: 38th
2012: 21th
2011:10th
2007: 59th

"LeBron has so much help"

LeBron took this team to the Finals in 2007:
He had a bunch of milkmen and Transit cops as teammates.

Kobe was blessed with Shaq and Pau

LeBron had washed up Shaq, who was 37 years old. He averaged 12 PPG and 6.7 RPG.

27 PPG and 12 RPG in 8 Laker years.

LeBron's shoes > Kobe's

LeBron's shoes sell around 340 Million dollars per year
Kobe's shoes sell annually 110 Million dollars per year

1999 WCSF:

Game 2: Misses 2 clutch FTs with 18 sec left & turns over the ball leading to TD's game winner.

Lakers get swept 4-0 LMAO

Kobe blew a 3-1 lead against the Suns in the 2006 Playoffs.

Game 7: 2nd half he had 1 Point LMAO

Jason Terry outplayed Kobe in 2nd rnd of '11 Playoffs:

JT: 20 PPG, 2 RPG, 4 APG, 60 FG%, 68 3PT%

KB: 23 PPG, 3 RPG, 2 APG, 46 FG%, 23 3PT%

Kobe in 4Q vs 2011 Mavs:

G1: 2/7 FG (28.5%) miss GW
G2: 1/4 FG (25.0%)
G3: 2/6 FG (33.3%) miss last 4 shots
G4: 0/2 FG (0%) blown out

Every offense and defensive rating LeBron and Kobe have faced in the ECF and WCF:

To say the east is weak is funny

LeBron 2017 Playoffs so far:
(8 games)
34.4 PPG
9 RPG
7.1 APG
55.7 FG%
47 3PT %
2.1 SPG
1.5 BPG

Most Points the first 8 games since MJ

Kobe: 6,306 Assists (20 seasons)
LeBron: 7,461 Assists (14 seasons)
Jordan: 5,633 Assists (15 seasons)

LeBron's first playoff series: 35.7ppg
Kobe has never had a playoff series ever that higher and LeBron isn't even a scorer

Westbrooks "awful" teammates in the playoffs shot 47%
Kobe in his playoff career shot 44%

Kobe's teammates In the Finals
1009/2161 FG (46%)

Only 3 players in game 7 finals history had a triple double:
James worthy
Jerry west
LeBron James
All won finals MVP

Fun fact:
Thru age 32 LeBron has 28,787 points, already the most ever. Kobe at 2nd at 27,868, Kobe took 966 more shots.

2008 and 2012 Olympics: LeBron vs Kobe
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron

4th QTR scoring in 2016 Finals:

LeBron: 59 points on 23/44 (52.2%)
Kyrie: 36 points on 12/33 (36.3%)

"Kyrie saved LeBron"

LeBron all-time playoff rankings
Points: 2nd
Assists: 3rd
Rebounds: 7th
Steals: 3rd
Blocks: 21st
Only 32 years old

Seasons with 2,000 PT, 500 REB, and 500 AST:
LeBron: 7
Bird: 3
Jordan: 2
Kobe: 0

"Ray Allen saved LeBron's legacy”

In 6 out of 7 NBA Finals, Kobe has a teammate that outscored the other teams leading scorer

NBA finals stats
Kobe: 41.2%
His teammates: 46%

NBA Finals shooting above 50%:
Kobe: 5 in 37 games

Games in a row shooting above 50%:
LeBron: 14
Kobe: 6

LeBron is a better scorer

2000-2002 Final Series:
Kobe 0 Final MVPs:
22 PPG
6 RPG
5.1 APG
42 FG%
Shaq 3 Final MVPs:
36 PPG
15.4 RPG
3.5 APG
60 FG%

Playoff career record:
LeBron: 135-68
Kobe: 135-85

LeBron is better in the playoffs than Kobe

Since the 1946-1947 season there has been 3,508 seasons of a player shooting over 50% from the field. Kobe hasn't even had a season of 47%

Kobe Bryant coming up CLUTCH
MAMBA MENTALITY

Phil Jackson even said LeBron is better and even more HOFs. Kobe wouldn't even rank himself top 5.

"Kobe is loyal" in 2007 he confirmed he wanted to get out of LA. He couldn't because of his contract and other reasons.

70 win teams eliminated in the Postseason:
LeBron: 1
Everyone else: 0

Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker of all-time

"Prime Kobe is better than prime LeBron"

LeBron had a way better prime and shot way more efficiently.

Lets remember that Kobe wasn’t even the best on his team at this point

The playoff total from LeBron and Kobe:

Kobe has the most bricks in NBA history, LeBron has always shot way better.

In 7 Final appearances, LeBron has already surpassed Kobe:

We all know this one, LeBron can do it all unlike Kobe

When LeBron left Cleveland, he couldn't win with his trash teammates, atleast he didn't join the team that beat him every year like Durant:

Kobe is known for his bricks, also known as Kobrick:

LeBron could miss his next 2,941 shots in a row and STILL have a better career FG% than Kobe LMAOOOO

Kobe:
5X Champion
2X Finals MVP
1X MVP
18X ALL-STAR
15X ALL-NBA
12x ALL-Defensive
Dunk Contest Winner
81 PTS

LeBron James:
3X Champion
3X Finals MVP
4X MVP
12X All-Star
12X All-NBa
6x All-Defensive
ROY
Came back from the first 3-1 lead in the Finals