Look it from a man's perspective for a second:

I'm sure you can be perfectly charming, but you are a taxing responsibility for a man

Pushing for babies is saying "now let me introduce even more burden for you"

Just try to be mindful before you start heaping up burdens for him.

We all understand in terms of sex, you should go at the woman's pace - eg: only proceed when she is comfortable.

But what women seem to fail to understand is that when it comes to commitment, you should go at the man's pace. He is the investor. Respect the place he's at in life.

You wouldn't want a man to disrespect what you're comfortable with doing sexually, and on what timeframe, and you would regret it if you rushed into something

Well men are the same with their commitments. Being pushy and insistent about it is the female version of being a creep.

If you cannot afford to/don't want to wait for him, that's understandable + it happens + you will have to go your own way. You'll have to find a man with a timetable that better logistically coincides with yours. Don't try to manipulate him into giving you more. This is toxic.

Manipulating him into giving you more's toxic. So for example, he's not ready to have kids, you pretend to take your birth control when you didn't and now you're "magically" pregnant, and oh, of course you don't believe in abortion either.

Forcing fatherhood is toxic femininity.

A man takes on the amount of burden he believes he is best able to accommodate. It's not your place to set and define what he takes on. That is his choice, and not a choice you rob from him if you truly love him and want to build a wholesome life with a solid foundation.

If you are an incredibly immature and childish woman, you won't think of these things. You will simply obsess over what you want, and then get upset if he won't give it to you as and when you want it. There's a kind of petulance to this, and it is deeply disgusting + ugly to men.

Average woman thinks she's a massive asset to any man and he's lucky to have her, but there are only tenuous empty platitudes to support this (isn't true)

A modest, sensible woman is thoughtful and focuses on minimising her burden cost to him as much as possible.

Be this woman.

The entire point of this thread isn't to bash women, but to make them think for a second

All the things you want from him that are prizes to you, are additional struggles for him.

Moving in together, marriage, babies - every prize you seek is an additional burden on his back.

So if you truly love him as a man - shouldn't the struggles he takes on in testament to his love for you be taken on freely and without pressure and manipulation?

Shouldn't you want him to want to do that by his own free will, rather than obtain it through subterfuge + coaxing?

He knows better than you if he can meet the burden you represent

And if he's too immature to realise that, do you really want to be with him anyway? Is an immature man who doesn't even know what he's ready for or capable of someone you want to be relying upon?

I don't think so.

Men like sex, but there is only so much peace they are willing to give up for it.

Just because men want to sleep with you, doesn't mean they want to make their life 10x harder for the privilege.

You have to make things as easy as possible for him to entice him into commitment.

So if you enter the picture all arrogant acting as if you are a prize and he is lucky to even be able to share the same air as you, when to him, all you represent is a mountain of additional and growing burden, how do you think that's going to go?

Of course you will stay single.

Don't think like the average foolish woman, take an opposite approach.

For example, the average woman thinks being high maintenance makes her high status.

How unfathomably dumb.

Why would being even more demanding and useless make you a better wife + mother?

Makes zero sense.

If you think your body's enough and you get to be lazy and cruise and don't have to bother, you're wrong

No man wants to share his life with a lazy woman who only multiplies his problems by not pulling her weight

Your body gets you attention + money, not a committed man's heart

The major takeaway from this thread should be to realise you're not the prize you think you are.

And I'm not trying to be mean about that. But think about it. You look at men as a solution to many problems. If all you do is bring him problems, how do you think he sees you?

Men accept that women will bring them problems, but there's a limit to this.

You can't just be lazy + insane + stressing him out whilst not really contributing anything + think that's okay because "I'm the woman and he wants to sleep with me"

I cannot express how dumb this is.

Essentially, your whole approach should be to actively go about minimising the burden you represent, whilst maximising your usefulness and mental stability.

You are *enticing him* into taking you on. If you are thoughtless, unstable, unskilled + demanding - you will fail at this

Women have always had to bring more than just sex to the table.

That's what being domestic is about. Serving him.

A man with money can easily pay professionals to do a better job than you.

But it's not about that. It's about giving him value in appreciation for his commitment.

In summary:

-Minimise your neuroticism (whining, instability)
-Maximise your charisma (flirty warmth)
-Respect his commitment boundaries
-Always aim to contribute however you can
-Appreciate him

Minimise your burden, and maximise your appeal - that's how you get and keep him.

A patient woman that shows modesty and understanding and appreciation for the struggles a man must go through, will find great appreciation from that man towards her.

Most women demand everything instantly with little compassion for just what they're asking for entails for him.

Do not be such a woman. Not being like the majority of women already puts you ahead of most of them. You may not like many of the things I've said here, but I guarantee you it is not bad advice. So think about it and take it to heart, it might change your life for the better.

And finally, one thing to say to men:

If a woman commits to you by patiently waiting for you, you better reward her patience.

Don't waste her years allowing her to think you will eventually marry her, only to leave her.

This is deeply cruel and disgusting. Act with honour.

The only thing worse than pretending to love a woman to sleep with her, is allowing her to waste years of her life on a false hope and promise of commitment that never comes through.

To actively stop her seeking happiness elsewhere by taking up her time + then giving her nothing

Personally I think there should be some kind of law or heavily damaging social repercussion for this kind of obscenity, but that's another discussion altogether and I've already talked for far too long. I'm done here. I hope you enjoyed the thread.