How often do you talk about hitmen, ex-girlfriends, poetry, and shitty jobs in the same conversation?

Probably pretty often if you're talking with @honeycopy.

I had the pleasure of chatting with this badass poet.

These were my five favorite topics

1/ The value of hiring a speaking coach.

Cole has been working with @FerraroOnAir—speaking coach extraordinaire—to sharpen his skills.

Improvements include:

• Less rambling
• More willingness to appear on podcasts
• Unreal ability to tell a story

2/ The importance of taking risks.

Cole worked as a carpet remover to support himself while writing.

"The embarrassment of ripping out that carpet hurt a hell of a lot less than sitting in an office doing a job I hated and not being able to pursue that dream of writing."

3/ Your taste will always exceed your ability in the beginning.

@iraglass famously calls this "The Taste Gap." https://twitter.com/david_perell/status/1358119365435142147

4/ Make your writing relatable by adding emotion.

Cole wrote a piece about his breakup that will kick you in the stomach.

Every dude will know this feeling.

He tells the story in this clip.

5/ Do cool shit. https://twitter.com/josephcwells/status/1390291479344599042

6/ Do you like @honeycopy's vibe?

Of course you do. He's cooler than an icicle in Antarctica.

Check out our full convo here: https://josephcwells.com/podcast/cole-schafer