the other thing that saying things like "menstruators", " people who give birth", "people with uteruses" does, in addition to including trans people who aren't women who still need healthcare, is it includes children who need that healthcare without referring to them as "women"

children menstruate, become pregnant, and need care for their uteruses. that does not make them women. "women" is a term for adults. calling them "women" because they get periods and can become pregnant is pedophile shit.

it makes sense that terfs are okay with calling little children who get periods "women" because they don't actually give a shit about children. the bathroom panic thing is an excuse for transphobic abuse.

both terfs abs regular transphobes just want to hurt trans women. they don't care who else they throw undw the bus to do it

the other reasons you can tell terfs and other transphobes aren't worried about pedophilia include that germaine greer wrote a whole book about how she wants to fuck boys and that the whole lot of them are obsessed with the genitals of children.

of course they don't care if inclusive language also leaves room to not refer to children with periods as "women" as soon as they bleed, their biggest political cause is trying to make genital inspections of child athletes legal. they're all child sex abuse enablers

another point i saw about this that i thought was interesting is avoiding using the extremely loaded word "mother" for someone giving birth gives room for surrogates, it also avoids having to refer to people experiencing miscarriage or stillbirth as "mothers"

inclusive language has a sort of curb cut effect ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_cut_effect) of avoiding misapplying extremely loaded labels to people who might not want them. and the price is... maybe sounding a little awkward, and occasionally horrible people get upset with you. that's it

no one is suggesting that people create new gender categories of "menstruator" and "non-menstruator". we're just asking to use terminology that is correct when talking about menstruation. the backlash against getting called a "menstruator" from terfs is bad faith

i don't know what to say to people who have a problem with incredibly basic inclusive language that helps trans people, also helps avoid sexualizing children and avoids a uncomfortable categorizations like referring to someone who just experienced stillbirth as "the mother"

the reaction of "time to scream at some trans women" when they are generally supportive but do not apply to most of these conversations* is just proof that the people who are mad just want an outlet for their transmisogyny

*this is not to say that trans women don't have menstrual cycles, some do, but they mostly don't need tampons while trans men, non-binary people and menstruating children do, so conversations about, say, the pink tax don't usually need to rope them in

they seem to have enough problems

anyway if this language is too hard, or feels bad: i don't know, maybe grow up? take it up with your therapist? get used to it? make it your own problem instead of everyone else's? there you go. you're welcome

i gotta mute this because it's getting overwhelming, i'll try to check in tomorrow!

im getting a lot of responses about miscarriages and stillbirths-- even cis women in that situation want "mother" thrust upon them? seems like something they'd want to take or leave after the traumatic incident was over, as they recover and mourn.

"patient" is available in that context. it's neutral. i assume that's probably better? people reacted up thread like i was yelling at women who had experienced stillbirths or miscarriages that they aren't real mothers or something

i don't know if they want that label, they earned it certainly but you don't always want to be defined by things you became through tragedy. that's your call.