So, we have no viable Labour party. Those among us who are blaming people for not voting Labour, stop it. You sound like those ragey, self-pitying incel types who insist the reason no women will date them is women being evil & absolutely nothing to do with their own personality.
Quite a lot of the black & South Asian Brits who come to Counterweight for support with resisting CSJ training of some kind give as their ethical objection to it that it is incompatible with their own religious or ethical frameworks which are socially conservative. From my notes:
I think that just as lefties (including liberal lefties like me) have a tendency to not fully take in the fact that many non-white people are socially conservative, there is also the tendency for us to neglect the fact that many working class people are socially conservative.
This means that there are so many factions on the left - Marxists/socialists, Social Justice advocates, liberals AND those who are economically leftist but socially conservative that we are in a mess & any policy is likely to piss off at least half of us.
The committed socialists and the Social Justice advocates are extremely unlikely to get pissed off enough to vote right but the liberals & the economically-left-but-socially-conservative people are much more likely to do so & we need to address that.
The only leftist framework that could accommodate all of these different factions is the liberal one so I still think it's down to the liberal lefties to address this & find a way to actually make Labour more democratic & do its job of serving the people, particularly WC ones.
Is there a way to accommodate the socialists, the liberals, those focused mostly on racism, sexism, homophobia etc & those who are economically left but have patriotism, community & family ideas widely regarded by the everybody else as belonging on the right?
I wonder if the surge to the right which can only be explained by increasing numbers of people leaving the left is caused by the factionalism which results in Labour leaders having to choose between pleasing all of its people some of the time or some of its people all of the time
Corbyn went for pleasing some of the people all of the time which didn't work at all well & lost Labour the red wall. Starmer seems to be trying to please all of the people some of the time which isn't working well either because it pisses off all of the people at some point.
The only thing all the typically left-voting people agree on is leftist economic policies so trying to find a way to focus the party around that without abandoning liberalism, ignoring racism etc & neglecting socially conservative WC people seems to be in order.
This is, however, a Herculean task, and I don't actually know how to achieve it as I sit here advocating for it from my armchair with absolutely zero experience or expertise in the writing of governmental policies.
However, as politics is strongly influenced by culture & politicians are required by job description to serve the people who make up the culture, I shall just focus on trying to make leftist culture less dogmatic & more open to viewpoint diversity within the left.
But I think progressives are always going to be more divided than conservatives simply because there are so many more ways to envision progress than there are to envision conserving things.
Although, this doesn't map on easily to left & right wing voters because Blue Labour is not progressive & is more focused on conserving traditions while much of conservative activism is focused on radical change of what they see (not incorrectly) as a Social Justice status quo.
The fact that the term 'conservative activism' actually makes sense shows that regarding conservatives as people who want to conserve the status quo doesn't map onto our current reality & accusations made by socialists that CSJ is actually conservative has something of a point.
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