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"I promoted AOC's campaign"
Yes, Ryan Knight, we know. You also promoted Warren's campaign. You'll pretty much latch onto whatever campaign gets you more followers.
Yes, Ryan Knight, we know. You also promoted Warren's campaign. You'll pretty much latch onto whatever campaign gets you more followers.
I guess this is now a livetweet of Grim vs. Knight.
Right off the bat we're off to the races with Knight completely ignoring Force the Vote and throwing out platitude after platitude.
Absolutely utterly predictable.
Right off the bat we're off to the races with Knight completely ignoring Force the Vote and throwing out platitude after platitude.
Absolutely utterly predictable.
"you can't change the party from within"
SO THEN WHY ARE YOU SO UTTERLY DEDICATED TO CHANGING THE PARTY???
Literally the entire point of Force the Vote and his entire rhetoric is based on his desire to CHANGE THE PARTY.
SO THEN WHY ARE YOU SO UTTERLY DEDICATED TO CHANGING THE PARTY???
Literally the entire point of Force the Vote and his entire rhetoric is based on his desire to CHANGE THE PARTY.
God I can feel my brain cells committing die.
The things I do for others so they don't have to watch this shitshow themselves.
The things I do for others so they don't have to watch this shitshow themselves.
"We have to stop trying to change the party from within" says person who *to this day* insists we should focus on changing the party from within through efforts like Force the Vote.
If the party is lost, you would not care one bit about what AOC does.
If the party is lost, you would not care one bit about what AOC does.
"Both parties are owned by the giant insurance companies"
Ryan knows Biden literally tanked several major pharma stocks today right?
Ryan knows Biden literally tanked several major pharma stocks today right?
"put these Dems on the record"
YOU JUST SAID YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PARTY. YOU LITERALY JUST SAID IT.
YOU JUST SAID YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PARTY. YOU LITERALY JUST SAID IT.
"what's the point of DSA/Justice Dems if they're not going to hold politicians accountable?"
HEY HOW ABOUT YOU PUT THIS EFFORT TOWARDS UNSEATING REPUBLICANS INSTEAD OF ATTACKING PROGRESSIVES, RYAN?
HEY HOW ABOUT YOU PUT THIS EFFORT TOWARDS UNSEATING REPUBLICANS INSTEAD OF ATTACKING PROGRESSIVES, RYAN?
The irony of Ryan talking about how platitudes won't put food on people's table and won't give anyone healthcare is fucking hilarious.
How has anything Ryan Knight has done moved the needle on either of these issues?
How has anything Ryan Knight has done moved the needle on either of these issues?
Oh neat it looks like Ryan Grim is now turning this "debate" into "who can be the most anti-Squad".
Fucking typical. This is just leftier than thou time. Christ.
Fucking typical. This is just leftier than thou time. Christ.
Jesus this entire debate is just Ryan Grim trying to regain his credibility among the Ryan Knight left.
The only sticking point between the two seems to be how Grim was treated during Force the Vote.
The only sticking point between the two seems to be how Grim was treated during Force the Vote.
Oh joy, Knight is pushing the exact same nonsensical statistic of "70% of Americans support M4A"
Jesus fucking christ this dude lies effortlessly.
He's just reading off his prefabbed fact sheet. He said all of this 10 minutes ago.
Jesus fucking christ this dude lies effortlessly.
He's just reading off his prefabbed fact sheet. He said all of this 10 minutes ago.
"we can't even get them to fight for the public option now"
Yeah, Ryan, you literally slammed anyone who fought for the public option as a corporate sellout neocon.
Yeah, Ryan, you literally slammed anyone who fought for the public option as a corporate sellout neocon.
"I left the Democratic party last year"
And yet here you are still trying to change them. Repeatedly. Jesus.
And yet here you are still trying to change them. Repeatedly. Jesus.
"last year joe biden took more money from wall street than trump and republicans"
That's.....I'm sorry *what*?
They got *slightly* more. Because Trump was literally *tanking the economy*. That's how that shit *works*.
That's.....I'm sorry *what*?
They got *slightly* more. Because Trump was literally *tanking the economy*. That's how that shit *works*.
Oh my fucking god, "HOW AND WHEN" this is like the oldest most ridiculous line from FTV.
The timeline for FTV getting M4A passed was AFTER 2022.
The *entire strategy* was literally to primary Dems in 2022. Actually *passing* M4A had no solid date.
The timeline for FTV getting M4A passed was AFTER 2022.
The *entire strategy* was literally to primary Dems in 2022. Actually *passing* M4A had no solid date.
"AOC won't come on vanguard or any of the other independent media that got her elected!!!1111!!!"
Fucking *lol* these folks are *so upset* that their viewer numbers aren't getting boosted by politicians.
This is hilarious. AOC didn't get elected due to some dipshit podcasters.
Fucking *lol* these folks are *so upset* that their viewer numbers aren't getting boosted by politicians.
This is hilarious. AOC didn't get elected due to some dipshit podcasters.
"I think that Biden is very comparable to Trump and in many ways I think Biden can be more dangerous because he has the media behind him"
More empty platitudes from Knight.
More empty platitudes from Knight.
Literally everything Knight has said is being ripped directly from his tweets.
He's not actually addressing anything Grim is saying. He's literally just sidestepping every topic to reiterate the same damn nonsense he spews on a daily basis.
He's not actually addressing anything Grim is saying. He's literally just sidestepping every topic to reiterate the same damn nonsense he spews on a daily basis.
"RESPOND TO MY CRITICISM, AOC, NOTICE MEEEEEE"
Good god, this is getting a bit pathetic.
Good god, this is getting a bit pathetic.
"people like me who say you can't reform this party"
So then *why do you keep trying*, Ryan?
So then *why do you keep trying*, Ryan?
"you've told me two times 'in your way', and i'm glad you apologized for it tonight"
Jesus the bad faith interpretation of *everything* that is being said. This is incredible. It's like watching a Republican filibustering their debate answer.
Jesus the bad faith interpretation of *everything* that is being said. This is incredible. It's like watching a Republican filibustering their debate answer.
Grim is treating Knight with kid gloves and it's hilarious to watch him try and hold firm on any point when he's clearly just trying to fight for the same audience that Knight is.
Hahahaha Grim is defending his reporting on the highway patrol person that showed up to that one user's house.
And now Knight is saying that it doesn't matter if he wasn't carrying water for AOC in that instance, he was in *others*, so that justifies the angry response.
And now Knight is saying that it doesn't matter if he wasn't carrying water for AOC in that instance, he was in *others*, so that justifies the angry response.
"I'm not going to accuse anyone, but there is no doubt that there are outside actors trying to amplify these debates"
Seems like Ryan acknowledges his bot following rofl.
Seems like Ryan acknowledges his bot following rofl.
Ryan Grim has absolutely no clue how to handle the right-wing style of Knight's Gish Galloping. It's pathetic.
"if you poll people under 40, socialism is more popular than capitalism"
Lol no, they're *close*, but this is some hilariously narrow reading.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/socialism-popular-capitalism-among-young-adults.aspx
Lol no, they're *close*, but this is some hilariously narrow reading.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/268766/socialism-popular-capitalism-among-young-adults.aspx
"[tweeting] takes work!!!!! I'm only making $600 a month on my podcast!!!!"
So then how are you paying the bills, Knight?
So then how are you paying the bills, Knight?
"joe biden is being called fdr when he's doing less than the bare minimum and not fighting for $15 minimum wage and the public option"
Except....Biden literally just set the minimum wage for federal contractors at $15. That is exactly the extent of his executive power.
Except....Biden literally just set the minimum wage for federal contractors at $15. That is exactly the extent of his executive power.
These supposedly neutral moderators are hilariously one-sided in favor of FTV and against Grim. And Grim has no clue how to handle it. SMDH.
"the whole design of these social media platforms is to promote engagement"
So then why did you go on some Force the Vote numpty's YouTube channel, Grim?
So then why did you go on some Force the Vote numpty's YouTube channel, Grim?
"we've been trying to reform Capitalism and the Democratic party for the last century"
So then stop trying, Knight. Focus all of your energy on efforts that aren't entirely electoral.
Instead, you've decided to focus *entirely* on electoral responses. This is nonsense.
So then stop trying, Knight. Focus all of your energy on efforts that aren't entirely electoral.
Instead, you've decided to focus *entirely* on electoral responses. This is nonsense.
"what's the point of the left to spend so much money and energy and time into a party that is fighting against the socialist policies that we want to be enacted?"
FORCE THE VOTE'S ENTIRE STRATEGY WAS TO ELECT MORE PROGRESSIVE DEMS BY PRIMARYING DEMS.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
FORCE THE VOTE'S ENTIRE STRATEGY WAS TO ELECT MORE PROGRESSIVE DEMS BY PRIMARYING DEMS.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
"a lot of working class people only got a 1400 check when we got an 1800 check under Trump"
Jesus fucking Christ, that act allowed people to keep drawing from unemployment if they felt unsafe at their place of work. That's a *massive* increase in income you're ignoring.
Jesus fucking Christ, that act allowed people to keep drawing from unemployment if they felt unsafe at their place of work. That's a *massive* increase in income you're ignoring.
"the venom the democrats have for the left"
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
"ever since i've been alive the dem party have been telling me that i have to vote for them or democracy will die"
THAT IS BECAUSE REPUBLICANS KEEP TRYING TO KILL DEMOCRACY.
THAT IS BECAUSE REPUBLICANS KEEP TRYING TO KILL DEMOCRACY.
"both parties serve the billionaire class"
Yeah that's why Biden tanked the billionaire class' stock today, right?
Yeah that's why Biden tanked the billionaire class' stock today, right?
Hey Ryan Knight, if you think it's so easy to primary progressive Dems, if you think it's so easy to get things done...
You should go and do it.
Come on, you should have no problem with it, right? After all, you've got a massive audience. That's all AOC needed, right?
You should go and do it.
Come on, you should have no problem with it, right? After all, you've got a massive audience. That's all AOC needed, right?
Knight *continues* to talk over everyone. Because this isn't about a debate. This is about legitimizing this hack and these one-sided moderators and their channel by bringing in a much more legitimate journalist, Grim.
Thank fuck this shit is only one hour. God damn, what a waste of time.
The chat is just *wild*.
Fucking Socialist Alternative I'm *dying*.
Fucking Socialist Alternative I'm *dying*.
HAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT BRIE JUST SHOWED UP TO ASK A QUESTION IN CHAT JESUS CHRIST.
oh my GOD of *course* Brie showed up to ask this question.
Anything to cape for Trump/Republicans, it would seem.
Anything to cape for Trump/Republicans, it would seem.
I do love how effortlessly Grim shuts that down tho rofl.
Impeachment had consequences. FTV had none.
Impeachment had consequences. FTV had none.
Wow *finally* Grim actually bothers to debunk the Force the Vote bullshit.
We *know* who is going to vote for and against M4A, and there was literally *no* pressure for anyone to vote honestly since it was DOA *in the House*.
We *know* who is going to vote for and against M4A, and there was literally *no* pressure for anyone to vote honestly since it was DOA *in the House*.
"i don't hate anyone, i've radicalized very fast, i have a lot of energy and passion"
Knight, you literally smear people on a daily basis, stop pretending. Your entire timeline is public, you know that, right?
Knight, you literally smear people on a daily basis, stop pretending. Your entire timeline is public, you know that, right?
It's like he has a cheat sheet with "decrepit Capitalist system" and "both of these right-wing Capitalist parties" written down.
I swear if I have to hear "both of these right-wing Capitalist parties" one more time. Jesus fuck.
I swear if I have to hear "both of these right-wing Capitalist parties" one more time. Jesus fuck.
"it's okay to disagree, I don't think you're an evil person or have bad intentions, maybe being in washington and being with the people you're around....."
Oh my god, we can hear the dogwhistles, bud.
Oh my god, we can hear the dogwhistles, bud.
Honestly, the best part of this whole debate was how Knight was completely unable to address any of Grim's criticism of Force the Vote. He didn't even try.
He *knows* it's not defensible. He just doubles down on platitudes.
He *knows* it's not defensible. He just doubles down on platitudes.
HAHAHAHA one of the moderators just thanked them for "having the guts" to come on stream.
They know that coming on stream is the *best* way to gish gallop rofl.
They know that coming on stream is the *best* way to gish gallop rofl.
Well thank fuck that was over.
Once again, I lost brain cells so y'all don't have to.
Once again, I lost brain cells so y'all don't have to.
