it’s bizarre when canucks fans (or fans of any team) try to dismiss leafs fans calling their team out for a lack of success or organizational incompetency because the leafs haven’t had much success of their won recently

our failures don’t dismiss yours
“Yeah but the Leafs haven’t won shit since—“

Yeah, so we know what bad teams look like, and your team is it.

We know what failure looks like and I’m staring it right in the face with your team, booboo
I promise you Leafs fans are well aware of how the team may be talented but have yet to cement the status they desire in the playoffs

That doesn’t mean your team isn’t shit when we call your team shit

We recognize shit and you’re shit
“The Leafs haven’t won a cup since 1967!”

Congrats, we both haven’t won a cup in a very long time, you want a medal for being on our level in terms of playoff success?

We’ve both won nothing since x or y or z

Our failures don’t absolve yours or make yours better by comparison
it’s just always struck me as odd

I absolutely understand being blinded at times when it comes to your team or wearing rose tinted glasses while watching them play, Leafs fans are absolutely guilty at times of that — every fanbase is

but our perceptions shouldn’t be dismissed
not at least on the basis of ‘we can’t say anything because we have nothing to stand on’

that’s fine, the leafs aren’t part of the discussion

leafs fans know what terrible teams look like, what terrible management looks like, what failures look like
(and this could apply to any team at some point in the past, present, or future, I’m just speaking on the leafs because they’re my favorite team and I know them the best out of all teams)
if you’re going to dismiss someone’s opinion for any reason, dismissing it because they’ve seen similar failure before or understand being a fan of a team that been in a similar place has to be one of the weirder reasons
there should be an understanding to some degree of the situation the canucks were in because the leafs were in a similar situation themselves less than a decade ago

there may be no sympathy, but there’s an underlying understanding of what it’s like to be a fan of a bad team
is anyone allowed to call you out for being shit then? can only recent cup winners call your team out for being bad? there’ll always be the urge to defend your team when its being called out, that’s absolutely understandable

the reasons for dismissing leafs fan opinions? less so
shit recognizes shit

bad recognizes bad

we’ve seen it so we know it and we’re seeing it when looking at your team

those are my two cents at least and this applies to any team leafs fans call out

feel free to disagree with me though!
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