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Why the Manosphere failed Pt. 1
What was the manosphere? What happened to it? Can it make a retvrn? I hope to document the rise and fall of this movement in this thread. Think of this as a historical work.
What was the manosphere? What happened to it? Can it make a retvrn? I hope to document the rise and fall of this movement in this thread. Think of this as a historical work.
What was the manosphere?
The manosphere (MaS) was an online movement of men united by a strong opposition to mainstream progressive feminism. There were four major schools in the movement- the redpillers/MRA's, the MGTOWS's, the Incels, and the PUA's.
The manosphere (MaS) was an online movement of men united by a strong opposition to mainstream progressive feminism. There were four major schools in the movement- the redpillers/MRA's, the MGTOWS's, the Incels, and the PUA's.
As said above, the common thread among these schools was the denial of the ontological moral innocence of women (OMIW), a theological tenet of the new wokeness. The actual people were mainly online content creators and poasters, similar to the groypers.
Each school was different in its own way. The PUA's (wont discuss them here) are the most successful in the mainstream and are still "alive" so to speak. However, the Incels will likely have the greatest long term impact. The movement really picked up during gamergate circa 2014.
At the time, SJW's from tumblr had overrun the internet. Gamergate was the catalyst to bring many of these people to the surface. The MaS responded with a fierce retaliation to these SJWs .
The overall response from the MaS was a resounding success. The movement likely played a major part in winning the "meme wars" of 2016. It helped bring many young men over from the progressive camp. A feat which might have helped Donald Trump achieve an election victory.
Many ideas from the MaS have percolated into the mainstream. These now form part of the ideological soup we breathe in and out. I think the "simp" trope can be traced back to incel content.
A review of each school of ManoSphere:
The redpillers/MRA's
Centered around the eponymous reddit forum and a pre-existing men's movement (Farrell), this school succeeded in bringing many men's issues to the mainstream.
The circumcision (an evil practice) issue, is a good example.
The redpillers/MRA's
Centered around the eponymous reddit forum and a pre-existing men's movement (Farrell), this school succeeded in bringing many men's issues to the mainstream.
The circumcision (an evil practice) issue, is a good example.
This movement even succeeded in garnering a movie about them. Many of their memes were excellent infographics on problems men face. From what I understand they were able to lobby for some "rights".
Why they ultimately failed:
1. Accepting the broad promises of Liberalism
-A blunder, liberalism is what led to this situation in the first place.
2. Casting men as "victims" of society
-not a masculine practice at all
3. Close connection with PUA (can discuss later). -(delusion)
1. Accepting the broad promises of Liberalism
-A blunder, liberalism is what led to this situation in the first place.
2. Casting men as "victims" of society
-not a masculine practice at all
3. Close connection with PUA (can discuss later). -(delusion)
The MGTOW's
Stands for "Men Going Their Own Way".
This school focused around online content creators who encouraged men to avoid intimate relationships with women, and focus on self-improvement instead. Was allied with "skeptics" on youtube.
Stands for "Men Going Their Own Way".
This school focused around online content creators who encouraged men to avoid intimate relationships with women, and focus on self-improvement instead. Was allied with "skeptics" on youtube.
The movement was successful in getting young men to take up tasks which were outside of anime/vidya/fast food. The movement still lingers on in the form of "life coaches on this site. I think many RW bb's owe something to this movt.
Why it failed:
1. Attracted a lot of cringy men
-self explanatory
2. Became far too focused on women over time
-the initial movt of self improv degenerated to sour grapes over women, even criticizing men who were happy in relations.
3. Connection with the Nuatheist movt
-fedoras
1. Attracted a lot of cringy men
-self explanatory
2. Became far too focused on women over time
-the initial movt of self improv degenerated to sour grapes over women, even criticizing men who were happy in relations.
3. Connection with the Nuatheist movt
-fedoras
The Incels
The incels were a loose collection of young men who were "involuntary celibate". They mostly occupied the eponymous reddit (now banned), r9k, and twitter. Some went out and committed mass shootings:
The incels were a loose collection of young men who were "involuntary celibate". They mostly occupied the eponymous reddit (now banned), r9k, and twitter. Some went out and committed mass shootings:
The incels were successful in producing a scathing critique of modern sexual relationships (tinder). "they were in it" so to speak. They spread this critique through the savvy use of memetics. Many of their memes have become mainstream ("simp", "chad", "cuck").
Why it failed (and was banned):
1. They became fatally toxic
-the movement became so toxic it ate itself alive.
2. They actually did really bad things irl
-self explanatory
3. They failed to transition their critique into a successful action plan.
-they wallowed in self pity
1. They became fatally toxic
-the movement became so toxic it ate itself alive.
2. They actually did really bad things irl
-self explanatory
3. They failed to transition their critique into a successful action plan.
-they wallowed in self pity
A combination of the inherent flaws and big tech censorship killed the manosphere. They no longer have much relevance, some even have joined intersectional progressivism. I would place the "death date" of the MaS in late 2018.
The rise of Onlyfeminism presents a strong challenge to any future men's movement. I have discussed the Onlyfeminists previously. I doubt the manosphere will return in its former state.
A new men's movement could arise if instead they focus on what is good, true, and beautiful. A new men's movement is desperately needed at this time.
I hope this thread has been interesting to all those interested in this history!
p.s. might continue in Pt 2.
I hope this thread has been interesting to all those interested in this history!
p.s. might continue in Pt 2.
