i think its bad strategy to say liberals are bad, most normies have no idea what you mean and you just sound like a conservative

the principles of liberalism are basically good. you should highlight the contradictions between the promise and the reality and show how most self-described 'liberals' are not stepping up to their fundamental ideals

I feel like this should be very obvious to more people who're generally 'on the left', but it seems not to be. Then again basic persuasion skills are also mostly absent from the group as a whole :(

am not saying i don't mind saying 'goddamn liberals UGH' among friends, y'know?