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Here it is, your Monday VAR thread. Looking at:
- Spurs v Man United
- Burnley v Newcastle
- Why we're in this situation
- Comparison to Bundesliga / other leagues
- Brief offside (it's nothing new)
There's many moving parts to this. Strap in!
- Spurs v Man United
- Burnley v Newcastle
- Why we're in this situation
- Comparison to Bundesliga / other leagues
- Brief offside (it's nothing new)
There's many moving parts to this. Strap in!
Let's start with the big decisions.
Firstly, the Scott McTominay foul on Son Heung-Min.
This is very much along the same lines as the penalty Danny Welbeck was awarded against Liverpool. If the ref gives the foul, fine. But it's not for VAR in the PL.
Firstly, the Scott McTominay foul on Son Heung-Min.
This is very much along the same lines as the penalty Danny Welbeck was awarded against Liverpool. If the ref gives the foul, fine. But it's not for VAR in the PL.
In both, the decisions don't happen if the VAR doesn't get involved. If the VAR does, and based upon the replays, the ref is left with little option at the monitor.
The surprise is the VAR was Craig Pawson, who hasn't advised a goal be disallowed all season - even for offside.
The surprise is the VAR was Craig Pawson, who hasn't advised a goal be disallowed all season - even for offside.
The VAR decided that it wasn't a natural move of McTominay's hand in catching Son, but at the same time the officials decided against a second yellow card because it was accidental.
How do they go together in making this decision? It's all part of the muddle we're in.
How do they go together in making this decision? It's all part of the muddle we're in.
We've come to expect a certain bar in the build-up in the Premier League (it's a lot lower in other major leagues).
It was only the THIRD goal disallowed for a foul in the build-up.
1 foul on the goalkeeper, and 1 in the area. Not ONE outside the box (excl. Firmino handball).
It was only the THIRD goal disallowed for a foul in the build-up.
1 foul on the goalkeeper, and 1 in the area. Not ONE outside the box (excl. Firmino handball).
It becomes a major issue you are allowing these goals scored by West Brom against Liverpool and Man United in the actual act of scoring a goal, then you disallow a goal for a stray finger several passes back in a move.
As mentioned earlier, it's very different in the other leagues. It's very likely the goal would be disallowed by the VAR elsewhere, but it's not what we expect in the Premier League.
Goals can be disallowed for inconsequential fouls. There is rarely any huge controversy.
Goals can be disallowed for inconsequential fouls. There is rarely any huge controversy.
Watch this Bundesliga clip from Borussia Monchengladbach vs. Freiburg last weekend, starting at 7 mins.
The goal was disallowed for a foul in the other half which was largely inconsequential to the move itself. It didn't even raise discussion.
The goal was disallowed for a foul in the other half which was largely inconsequential to the move itself. It didn't even raise discussion.
