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My Conversation with a DK ( Ramaswamy Naicker's Periyar club )
D : Sago i see you always criticise Periyar, its only because of him today we have got rid of castes, you are manuvadis you follow manusmriti
Me :wait ! Lets talk one topic at a time
D : Ok ,Hindu society is Casteist
D : Sago i see you always criticise Periyar, its only because of him today we have got rid of castes, you are manuvadis you follow manusmriti
Me :wait ! Lets talk one topic at a time
D : Ok ,Hindu society is Casteist
Me : How do you say Hindu society is Casteist
D: Yes ,all your scriptures talk about caste including Bhagawad Gita
Me :can you quote what is said in Gita
D : It says on the basis of ones birth one is classified as Brahmana, Vysya, Kshatriya and Shudra
Me :Can you quote the sloka
D: Yes ,all your scriptures talk about caste including Bhagawad Gita
Me :can you quote what is said in Gita
D : It says on the basis of ones birth one is classified as Brahmana, Vysya, Kshatriya and Shudra
Me :Can you quote the sloka
D: I don't know the sloka
Me : Have you read BG
D : No
Me : Then who told you about BG propagating caste
D: Its there in all Periyar books
Me : This is the problem with you guys , you make up your mind on heresay, you dont verify the source
D: you mean to say iam wrong
Me : Have you read BG
D : No
Me : Then who told you about BG propagating caste
D: Its there in all Periyar books
Me : This is the problem with you guys , you make up your mind on heresay, you dont verify the source
D: you mean to say iam wrong
Me : Let me quote the original sloka
Chapter 4: Transcendental Knowledge
TEXT 13
catur-varnyam maya srstam
guna-karma-vibhagasah
tasya kartaram api mam
viddhy akartaram avyayam
Chapter 4: Transcendental Knowledge
TEXT 13
catur-varnyam maya srstam
guna-karma-vibhagasah
tasya kartaram api mam
viddhy akartaram avyayam
TRANSLATION
According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.
According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.
D: What does it mean
Me : It says people are classified into 4 varnas based on ones GUNA ( qualities ) & not JANMA ( birth )
D : But vedas classify people on birth not qualities
Me :BG is the essence of all Vedas,i have clearly quoted, its says people are classified on ones GUNA
Me : It says people are classified into 4 varnas based on ones GUNA ( qualities ) & not JANMA ( birth )
D : But vedas classify people on birth not qualities
Me :BG is the essence of all Vedas,i have clearly quoted, its says people are classified on ones GUNA
D: But
Me : let me explain iam born in a Brahmin family , if all members of my family are Doctors and iam a businessman, just because my father and mother are Drs , will i become a Dr ?
D: No
Me : Similarly to be in any varna one has to be qualified, and based on one's
Me : let me explain iam born in a Brahmin family , if all members of my family are Doctors and iam a businessman, just because my father and mother are Drs , will i become a Dr ?
D: No
Me : Similarly to be in any varna one has to be qualified, and based on one's
Qualification people are classified
D :perfect i don't find any problem in this if this is fact, but Manusmriti says something else
Me :there are 4 yugas and each yuga has prescribed way of worship, prescribed scriptures and different life spans
D: 4 yugas?
Me :Yes let me explain
D :perfect i don't find any problem in this if this is fact, but Manusmriti says something else
Me :there are 4 yugas and each yuga has prescribed way of worship, prescribed scriptures and different life spans
D: 4 yugas?
Me :Yes let me explain
There are 4 yugas
Satya yuga-
100% purity , lifespan 1 lakh years , method of going back to Godhead is meditation , prescribed scripture - Manusmriti
Duration - 17,28,000 years
Satya yuga-
100% purity , lifespan 1 lakh years , method of going back to Godhead is meditation , prescribed scripture - Manusmriti
Duration - 17,28,000 years
Treta Yuga
80% purity , 20 % polluted
Life span 1000 years
Back to Godhead by performing Yagnas
Duration - 12,96,000 years
80% purity , 20 % polluted
Life span 1000 years
Back to Godhead by performing Yagnas
Duration - 12,96,000 years
Dwapar yuga
50% purity , 50% impurity
Life span 1000 years
Back to God head by building Temples and deity worship
Duration : 8,64,000 years
50% purity , 50% impurity
Life span 1000 years
Back to God head by building Temples and deity worship
Duration : 8,64,000 years
Kaliyuga
20%purity 80% impurity
Life span 100 years
Back to Godhead by Just Chanting the holy Name of Bhagwan
Duration : 4,32,000 years
We have just completed 5000 years
20%purity 80% impurity
Life span 100 years
Back to Godhead by Just Chanting the holy Name of Bhagwan
Duration : 4,32,000 years
We have just completed 5000 years
D : amazing info but come back to Manusmriti
Me : As it is clearly stated, Manusmriti belongs to Satya yuga, we are in Kaliyuga, Scripture for Kaliyuga is BG and Srimad Bhagawatam, why do you apply satya Yuga scriptures to kaliyuga?
Can you apply test match rules to T20 ?
D: No
Me : As it is clearly stated, Manusmriti belongs to Satya yuga, we are in Kaliyuga, Scripture for Kaliyuga is BG and Srimad Bhagawatam, why do you apply satya Yuga scriptures to kaliyuga?
Can you apply test match rules to T20 ?
D: No
Me : My friend there is varna even in a modern day corporate world
D:
Me : Yes
Admin :Brahmana
Finance marketing: Vysya
Security :Kshatriya
Workers :Shudra
Again not on the basis of birth but on the basis of qualifications
D: Now iam getting clear and a different perspective
D:
Me : Yes
Admin :Brahmana
Finance marketing: Vysya
Security :Kshatriya
Workers :Shudra
Again not on the basis of birth but on the basis of qualifications
D: Now iam getting clear and a different perspective
Me : Varnas were created not to divide society but to synchronise people with various qualities and bring harmony and progress to our society
The Mughals and British twisted this system to divide us and convert us
D: thank you so much for removing me from darkness
Me :
The Mughals and British twisted this system to divide us and convert us
D: thank you so much for removing me from darkness
Me :
