Mbappe is better than Messi at 22.

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Base UCL stats:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> Mbappe:

43 games | 27 goals | 17 assists
18 KO | 13 goals | 3 assists

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇦🇷" title="Flagge von Argentinien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Argentinien"> Messi:

44 games | 25 goals | 9 assists
21 KO | 12 goals | 2 assists

Mbappe has higher overall contribution and is far ahead in KOs. A closer look vs the big teams:

Mbappe in the UCL:

• Barcelona: 4 goals
• Bayern: 3 goal 1 assist
• Dortmund: 3 goals 1 assist
• Man City: 2 goals
• United: 1 goal 1 assist
• Juventus: 1 goal
• Madrid: 1 goal
• Liverpool: 1 goal
• Atalanta: 1 assist
• Leipzig: https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="❌" title="Kreuzzeichen" aria-label="Emoji: Kreuzzeichen">

G/A in 69% of ties
16 goals 4 assist

Messi in the UCL:

• Arsenal: 4 goals
• Bayern: 2 goals 1 assist
• United: 1 goal
• Chelsea: 1 assist
• Inter: https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="❌" title="Kreuzzeichen" aria-label="Emoji: Kreuzzeichen">
• Liverpool: https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="❌" title="Kreuzzeichen" aria-label="Emoji: Kreuzzeichen">

G/A in 40% of ties
8 goals 2 assists

No comparison. Mbappe has FAR better involvements despite playing for weaker teams.

International games:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> Mbappe:

42 games | 16 goals | 13 assists
29 comp | 11 goals | 5 assists

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇦🇷" title="Flagge von Argentinien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Argentinien"> Messi:

50 games | 13 goals | 17 assists
35 games | 7 goals | 11 assists

Mbappe’s overall contribution is higher, and in competitive games. A look vs big opposition:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> Competitive involvements:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇳🇱" title="Flagge der Niederlande" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge der Niederlande"> 2 goals
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇦🇷" title="Flagge von Argentinien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Argentinien"> 2 goals 1 assist
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇭🇷" title="Flagge von Kroatien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Kroatien"> 1 goal
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇸🇪" title="Flagge von Schweden" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Schweden"> 1 goal 1 assist

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇦🇷" title="Flagge von Argentinien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Argentinien"> Competitive involvements:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇲🇽" title="Flagge von Mexiko" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Mexiko"> 1 goal
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇺🇸" title="Flagge der Vereinigten Staaten" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge der Vereinigten Staaten"> 1 assist
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇺🇾" title="Flagge von Uruguay" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Uruguay"> 1 goal

Mbappe is far ahead here. His 2018 WC is by far the best tournament between the two as well, albeit he had a better side.

Major finals, 1 hit 1 miss each https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🤝" title="Handschlag" aria-label="Emoji: Handschlag">

Their biggest domestic talking points:

Messi’s hattrick vs Madrid. Impressive, albeit they were 4th in the league at this time and were knocked out in the R16 of UCL.

Mbappe’s, breaking PSG’s title streak with the most G/A for his team at 18. 1 game vs 1 season.

Domestic stats:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> 143 games
• 100 goals
• 41 assists
• 4 league titles as ‘MVP’

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇦🇷" title="Flagge von Argentinien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Argentinien"> 145 games
• 88 goals
• 41 assists
• 2 league titles as ‘MVP’

Neither league were UCL giants at these times. La Liga ahead, but balanced by Mbappe winning with Monaco.

Time to consider some points bought up Messi fans in this debate:

• Ballon D’Or
• Playmaking
• Reputation

Ballon D’Or rankings at 22:

Mbappe:

• 2017: 7th
• 2018: 4th
• 2019: 6th
• 2020: 7th
• 2021:

Messi:

• 2006: 20th
• 2007: 3rd
• 2008: 2nd
• 2009: 1st

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> Average ranking: 6 vs 6.5

Mbappe can still win the Ballon D’or by 22 like Messi, he’s currently the favourite.

Other play, chance creation:

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> 20/21: 1.0 key passes
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇪🇺" title="Flagge der Europäischen Union" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge der Europäischen Union"> 20/21: 1.8 key passes
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇫🇷" title="Flagge von Frankreich" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Frankreich"> 19/20: 2.0 key passes
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇪🇺" title="Flagge der Europäischen Union" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge der Europäischen Union"> 19/20: 1.3 key passes

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇪🇸" title="Flagge von Spanien" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge von Spanien"> 09/10: 1.9 key passes
https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="🇪🇺" title="Flagge der Europäischen Union" aria-label="Emoji: Flagge der Europäischen Union"> 09/10: 1.9 key passes

Despite Messi’s silkier dribbling style, the chance creation is comparable.

Myth, Messi was NOT widely seen as the GOAT at 22 like some claim.

The source? A clip of Graeme Sounness calling him that, whilst disregarding Maradonna as “Argentina was good” and forgetting to even mention Pelé.

A few of his teammates didn’t even see him as the best ITW:

A summary:

• Mbappe is drastically ahead in the UCL in big games
• Internationally, once again better numbers, more clutch and effective involvements overall
• More domestic achievement so far

All it takes is some sense to get past the blind Messi worship. Mbappe is it.

Time to get ready for the quotes:

“Forced”
“Messi will always be better”
*Comments about my @ or PFP*

But, 0 valid arguments.

This can’t be debunked. He’s by far more accomplished by looking at his performances. No changing that.

Keep quoting with “shut up mfer” or stats/images that the thread already considers it’s just proving my point about blind worship https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="😭" title="Laut schreiendes Gesicht" aria-label="Emoji: Laut schreiendes Gesicht">