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In this thread I’m going to compare the level of opponents faced in each domestic and European cup run from Louis Van Gaal, Josè Mourinho and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
We Start with LVG. 2014-2016.
Here’s a list of our FA cup run in under LVG. 15/16
1-0 v Sheffield United
1-3 v Derby County
0-3 v Shewsbury
1-3 on agg v West Ham
Semi Final 1-2 Everton
Final 2-1 Crystal Palace.
Easy run, hardest team was West Ham who finished 7th in PL.
1-0 v Sheffield United
1-3 v Derby County
0-3 v Shewsbury
1-3 on agg v West Ham
Semi Final 1-2 Everton
Final 2-1 Crystal Palace.
Easy run, hardest team was West Ham who finished 7th in PL.
our league cup run under LVG 14/15
MK Dons 4-0 loss knocks us out.
(Should’ve progressed.)
MK Dons 4-0 loss knocks us out.
(Should’ve progressed.)
Our FA cup run under LVG 14/15
Yeovil Town 2-0
Cambridge United 3-0 (replay)
Preston North End 3-1
Arsenal 1-2
First sight of a challenge and a fail.
Yeovil Town 2-0
Cambridge United 3-0
(replay)Preston North End 3-1
Arsenal 1-2
First sight of a challenge and a fail.
League cup run under LVG. 15/16
Ipswich Town 3-0 win
Middlesbrough 0-0 (1-3) loss on pens.
(Should’ve progressed.)
Ipswich Town 3-0 win
Middlesbrough 0-0 (1-3) loss on pens.
(Should’ve progressed.)
Champions League run under LVG. 15/16
We finished third in a group that consisted of PSV, Wolfsburg and CSKA Moscow. Easy group yet failed to qualify.
Wolfsburg the hardest team finished 8th in their respective league that year.
(Should’ve progressed).
We finished third in a group that consisted of PSV, Wolfsburg and CSKA Moscow. Easy group yet failed to qualify.
Wolfsburg the hardest team finished 8th in their respective league that year.
(Should’ve progressed).
Europa League opponents after being K/O of the UCL under LVG. 15/16
FC Midtjylland
7-2 win on agg over two legs.
Liverpool
1-3 loss on agg over two legs.
Liverpool finished 8th that season. Should’ve progressed.
FC Midtjylland
7-2 win on agg over two legs.
Liverpool
1-3 loss on agg over two legs.
Liverpool finished 8th that season. Should’ve progressed.
Now we move onto the Josè Mourinho era. 2016-2018.
Our League cup run under Josè Mourinho. 16/17.
Northampton Town 1-3 win
Manchester City 1-0 win
Hull City 3-2 win on agg
Southampton 3-1 win
Easy run, City being the hardest team we had faced. 4th in the PL.
Northampton Town 1-3 win
Manchester City 1-0 win
Hull City 3-2 win on agg
Southampton 3-1 win
Easy run, City being the hardest team we had faced. 4th in the PL.
Our FA Cup run under Josè Mourinho. 16/17.
Reading 4-0
Wigan Athletic 4-0
Blackburn Rovers 2-1
Chelsea 0-1
Chelsea finished first, hardest opponent we faced in any cup tie under Josè.
Reading 4-0
Wigan Athletic 4-0
Blackburn Rovers 2-1
Chelsea 0-1
Chelsea finished first, hardest opponent we faced in any cup tie under Josè.
Our Europa League run under Josè Mourinho 16/17.
Finished 2nd in the group stage that consisted of Fenerabahce (1st), Feyenoord (3rd), Zorya Luhansk (4th).
Finished 2nd in the group stage that consisted of Fenerabahce (1st), Feyenoord (3rd), Zorya Luhansk (4th).
In the K/O stages we faced
St. Etienne 4-0 win on agg
Rostov (?) 2-1 on agg
Anderlecht 3-1 a.e.t on agg
Celta Vigo 2-1 on agg
Ajax 2-0 in the final
Easiest run. Celta Vigo hardest opponents and they finished 13th in La Liga, St. Etienne finished 8th.
St. Etienne 4-0 win on agg
Rostov (?) 2-1 on agg
Anderlecht 3-1 a.e.t on agg
Celta Vigo 2-1 on agg
Ajax 2-0 in the final
Easiest run. Celta Vigo hardest opponents and they finished 13th in La Liga, St. Etienne finished 8th.
Our league cup run under Josè Mourinho 17/18.
Burton Albion 4-1
Swansea City 2-0
Bristol City 1-2
Poor cup defence, should’ve progressed.
Burton Albion 4-1
Swansea City 2-0
Bristol City 1-2
Poor cup defence, should’ve progressed.
Our FA Cup run under Josè Mourinho 17/18.
Derby County 2-0
Yeovil Town 4-0
Huddersfield Town 2-0
Brighton 2-0
Tottenham 2-1
Chelsea 0-1
Hardest opponent faced was Tottenham, first time we’d faced two teams out of the top 6 in one cup comp under LVG or Mourinho.
Derby County 2-0
Yeovil Town 4-0
Huddersfield Town 2-0
Brighton 2-0
Tottenham 2-1
Chelsea 0-1
Hardest opponent faced was Tottenham, first time we’d faced two teams out of the top 6 in one cup comp under LVG or Mourinho.
Here’s our UCL run under Josè Mourinho 17/18.
Finished first in the Group Stage that consisted of Basel, CSKA Moscow and Benfica.
Finished first in the Group Stage that consisted of Basel, CSKA Moscow and Benfica.
In the K/O stages we faced
Sevilla 1-2 on aggregate over two legs
a loss at home knocks us out, should’ve progressed past the RO16.
Sevilla 1-2 on aggregate over two legs
a loss at home knocks us out, should’ve progressed past the RO16.
Our league cup run under Josè Mourinho 18/19.
2-2 Derby county (7-8 on pens)
Absolute failure... should’ve progressed.
2-2 Derby county (7-8 on pens)
Absolute failure... should’ve progressed.
Now we move onto the Ole Gunnar Solskjaer era. 2018 - ongoing.
Josè Sacked in December saw Ole get the full FA Cup run as interim boss, this is our FA Cup run under OGS in 18/19.
Reading 2-0
Arsenal 3-1
Chelsea 2-0
Wolves 1-2
Yes we should’ve progressed. But (tweet below)
Reading 2-0
Arsenal 3-1
Chelsea 2-0
Wolves 1-2
Yes we should’ve progressed. But (tweet below)
Ole faces two of the PL’s top 6 in a single cup run for the first time matching the tally of the entire Josè & LVG tenure just two months in the job.... 4 years and only faced two of the PL’s top 6 once between LVG and Mourinho.
Here’s our UCL run under Josè
18/19
Finished second in a group that consisted of Juventus, Valencia and Young Boys.
Not bad, finished where expected for the GS, relatively easy group.
18/19
Finished second in a group that consisted of Juventus, Valencia and Young Boys.
Not bad, finished where expected for the GS, relatively easy group.
The UCL K/O stages under OGS 18/19.
PSG 3-3 on away goals
Barcelona 4-0 on agg
furthest we had made it in the UCL under any of the three managers. (OGS, LVG, Josè)
Faced the French and Spanish champions in one season.
in 17/18 we lost to 7th place Sevilla in the RO16.
PSG 3-3 on away goals
Barcelona 4-0 on agg
furthest we had made it in the UCL under any of the three managers. (OGS, LVG, Josè)
Faced the French and Spanish champions in one season.
in 17/18 we lost to 7th place Sevilla in the RO16.
Our League cup run under OGS 19/20.
Rochdale 1-1 (5-3 on pens)
Chelsea 1-2
Colchester United 3-0
Manchester City 3-2 on agg
Ole in 1 year had now faced 2 of the “top 6” in a single cup run twice compared to what LVG and Josè did in 4 years combined..
Rochdale 1-1 (5-3 on pens)
Chelsea 1-2
Colchester United 3-0
Manchester City 3-2 on agg
Ole in 1 year had now faced 2 of the “top 6” in a single cup run twice compared to what LVG and Josè did in 4 years combined..
Our FA Cup run under OGS. 19/20
Wolves 1-0 on agg
Tranmere 6-0
Derby County 3-0
Norwich City 2-1 a.e.t
Chelsea 1-3
Should’ve progressed to the final.
Wolves 1-0 on agg
Tranmere 6-0
Derby County 3-0
Norwich City 2-1 a.e.t
Chelsea 1-3
Should’ve progressed to the final.
Our Europa League run under OGS. 19/20
Finished first in the GS, losing only 1 game which we fielded our youngest ever side in Europe. Consisted of AZ Alkmaar, Partizan, Astana.
Finished first in the GS, losing only 1 game which we fielded our youngest ever side in Europe. Consisted of AZ Alkmaar, Partizan, Astana.
In the K/O phase we faced
Club Brugge 6-1 on agg
LASK 7-1 on agg
Copenhagen 1-0 a.e.t
Sevilla 1-2
Ole would’ve won this tournament had his players actually turned up in-front of goal. Should’ve progressed.
Faced Chelsea 2x, Sevilla and Man City, all finished t4.
Club Brugge 6-1 on agg
LASK 7-1 on agg
Copenhagen 1-0 a.e.t
Sevilla 1-2
Ole would’ve won this tournament had his players actually turned up in-front of goal. Should’ve progressed.
Faced Chelsea 2x, Sevilla and Man City, all finished t4.
Our FA Cup run under OGS. 20/21 (so far)
Watford 1-0
Liverpool 3-2
West Ham 1-0 a.e.t
Leicester TBC.
What. A. Joke. That’s two of the current top 4 at the time of speaking and Liverpool who were Premier League champions just last season....
Watford 1-0
Liverpool 3-2
West Ham 1-0 a.e.t
Leicester TBC.
What. A. Joke. That’s two of the current top 4 at the time of speaking and Liverpool who were Premier League champions just last season....
Our league cup run under OGS. 20/21.
Luton Town 3-0
Brighton 3-0
Everton 3-0
Manchester City 0-2
Another joke, first three games away from home, and lost to a team who are currently on one of the longest win runs in history. This is what Ole is up against.
Luton Town 3-0
Brighton 3-0
Everton 3-0
Manchester City 0-2
Another joke, first three games away from home, and lost to a team who are currently on one of the longest win runs in history. This is what Ole is up against.
Our UCL run under OGS. 20/21.
We finished third in a group that consisted of RB Leipzig, PSG, and Istanbul Basaksehir.
In a literal group of death with the UCL finalists and semi finalists of last season.
We finished third in a group that consisted of RB Leipzig, PSG, and Istanbul Basaksehir.
In a literal group of death with the UCL finalists and semi finalists of last season.
Our Europa League K/O phase opponents under OGS after being eliminated from UCL. 20/21.
Real Soceidad 4-0
AC Milan TBC..
Drew 5th best team in Spain currently and 2nd best in Italy.. I will be revisiting this at the end of the season.
Real Soceidad 4-0
AC Milan TBC..
Drew 5th best team in Spain currently and 2nd best in Italy.. I will be revisiting this at the end of the season.
Comparing the draws of all of our managers Ole has been drawn by far the most difficult fixtures out of any manager we’ve had post SAF. Give him his team and he’s more than capable of winning, the evidence is what he’s doing with this limited side.
Getting a lot of people confused with the reasoning to this thread, reason as to why I did it is people wonder why Ole doesn’t have a trophy to show for in the first two years compared to Mourinho and LVG. This thread looks into that. It’s not to discredit LVG or Mourinho.
Ole has to rebuild the biggest club in England and one of the biggest in the world whilst handling an impatient fan base and an impatient board, he had to rebuild the club essentially, thats shown by his team selection last season (one of the youngest teams ITL on avg age)
with backing, it should be fairly obvious what we could achieve with him as manager. We’re gradually getting better and he’s overachieving with a limited team. What’s the issue. I can’t see it personally until he has a strong and balanced XI and is underachieving.
