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Special Macedonian - Croatian language thread:
1.
C: Во очи сега гледај ме
L: Vo oči sega gledaj me
U oči sada gledaj me
= Look me in the eyes now
Croatian standard for "in" (preposition) is "u", but...
Special Macedonian - Croatian language thread:
1.
C: Во очи сега гледај меL: Vo oči sega gledaj me U oči sada gledaj me= Look me in the eyes now
Croatian standard for "in" (preposition) is "u", but...
...there are other variants that look a bit closer to Macedonian "во" (Latin: vo):
Croatian Kajkavian dialect: v, vu
Croatian Chakavian dialect: u, va
Croatian Kajkavian dialect: v, vuCroatian Chakavian dialect: u, va
2.
C: Не сум губитник ти знај
L: Ne sum gubitnik, ti znaj
nisam gubitnik, ti znaj
= know that I'm not a loser
"gubitnik" is derived from the verb "gubiti" (to lose), which used to mean "to destroy" in PIE...
C: Не сум губитник ти знајL: Ne sum gubitnik, ti znaj nisam gubitnik, ti znaj= know that I'm not a loser
"gubitnik" is derived from the verb "gubiti" (to lose), which used to mean "to destroy" in PIE...
... "gubiti" and "губи" (gubi) are actually imperfective verbs, meaning "to be losing"
Their perfective forms, "to lose":
izgubiti
изгуби (izgubi)
"gubiti" and "губи" (gubi) are actually imperfective verbs, meaning "to be losing"Their perfective forms, "to lose":
izgubiti изгуби (izgubi)
3.
C: Не се предавам до крај
L: Ne se predavam do kraj
ne predajem se do kraja
= I'm not surrendering until the end
"kraj" means in both Croatian and Macedonian:
end, ending
region, area
In Croatian, it's also used as:
edge
landscape, scenery
C: Не се предавам до крајL: Ne se predavam do kraj ne predajem se do kraja= I'm not surrendering until the end
"kraj" means in both Croatian and Macedonian:
end, endingregion, areaIn Croatian, it's also used as:
edgelandscape, scenery
4.
C: Нема раѓање без паѓање
L: Nema raganje bez paganje
nema rađanja bez padanja
= there's are no rises without falls
literally: there is no giving births without fallings...
I doubt she's talking about real births, it's probably about new beginnings
C: Нема раѓање без паѓањеL: Nema raganje bez paganje nema rađanja bez padanja= there's are no rises without falls
literally: there is no giving births without fallings...
I doubt she's talking about real births, it's probably about new beginnings
5.
C: Отвори душа, признај ми
L: Otvori duša, priznaj mi
otvori dušu, priznaj mi
= open up your soul, admit to me
This is where Macedonian and Croatian are the most similar so far.
In Croatian, "duša" appears in that form only in nominative sg. (and genitive pl.)
C: Отвори душа, признај миL: Otvori duša, priznaj mi otvori dušu, priznaj mi= open up your soul, admit to me
This is where Macedonian and Croatian are the most similar so far.
In Croatian, "duša" appears in that form only in nominative sg. (and genitive pl.)
6.
Што сме сега јас и ти
C: Што сме сега јас и ти
L: Što sme sega jas i ti
Što smo sada ja i ti
= what are we now, you and I
"jas" & "ja" (I) are from the same PIE root as
ego, which gave us:
io, I je, ik, eu, yo,
All have the same meaning.
Што сме сега јас и ти
C: Што сме сега јас и тиL: Što sme sega jas i ti Što smo sada ja i ti= what are we now, you and I
"jas" & "ja" (I) are from the same PIE root as
ego, which gave us: io, I je, ik, eu, yo,All have the same meaning.
7.
C: Пола мое во тебе,
L: Pola moe vo tebe,
Pola mene u tebi, a
= Half of me inside of you,
"pola" (half) is possibly from PIE *(s)pelH- (to chop, to separate).
From "pola" (half) + "noć" (night), we have:
ponoć (midnight)
C: Пола мое во тебе, L: Pola moe vo tebe, Pola mene u tebi, a = Half of me inside of you,
"pola" (half) is possibly from PIE *(s)pelH- (to chop, to separate).
From "pola" (half) + "noć" (night), we have:
ponoć (midnight)
8.
C: A пола твое спие во мене
L: A pola tvoe spie vo mene
A pola tebe spava u meni
= and half of you sleeps inside of me
spavati & спие (spie) are from PIE *swep- (to sleep), just like:
sova
sove
sofa
all mean "to sleep", while in sova = owl
C: A пола твое спие во менеL: A pola tvoe spie vo mene A pola tebe spava u meni= and half of you sleeps inside of me
spavati & спие (spie) are from PIE *swep- (to sleep), just like: sova sove sofaall mean "to sleep", while in
sova = owl
9.
C: Ајде сега гушни ме
L: Ajde sega gušni me
Ajde sada zagrli me
= Come on now, hug me
Both Croatian and the Macedonian words for "to hug" are derived from the words for "throat"
("throat")
("to hug"):
гуша (guša) гушне (gušne)
grlo zagrliti
C: Ајде сега гушни ме L: Ajde sega gušni me Ajde sada zagrli me= Come on now, hug me
Both Croatian and the Macedonian words for "to hug" are derived from the words for "throat"
("throat")
("to hug"): гуша (guša) гушне (gušne) grlo zagrliti
10.
C: до небо дигни ме
L: do nebo digni me
: do neba digni me
= raise me to the sky
I have to say that hearing "do nebo" sounds weird to the Croatian ear, like coming from someone who is not very good at grammar and is using the grammatical cases incorrectly.
C: до небо дигни меL: do nebo digni me: do neba digni me= raise me to the sky
I have to say that hearing "do nebo" sounds weird to the Croatian ear, like coming from someone who is not very good at grammar and is using the grammatical cases incorrectly.
You'll only see "nebo" in Croatian in that form when it's in nominative, vocative, or accusative singular:
Nominative: what is up there? nebo
Vocative (addressing the sky/heaven):nebo
Accusative (direct object, e.g. "I see the sky") nebo
"do" requires genitive, "neba"
Nominative: what is up there?
neboVocative (addressing the sky/heaven):
neboAccusative (direct object, e.g. "I see the sky")
nebo"do" requires genitive, "neba"
11.
C: Црно и бело е сè
L: Crno i belo e sè
Crno i bijelo je sve
= Everything is black and white
But both Macedonian and Croatian have the same word order:
"black and white is everything".
"crno" (black) is from PIE kr̥snós, just like
sorrë (crow)
C: Црно и бело е сèL: Crno i belo e sè Crno i bijelo je sve= Everything is black and white
But both Macedonian and Croatian have the same word order:
"black and white is everything".
"crno" (black) is from PIE kr̥snós, just like
sorrë (crow)
12.
C: Една вистина и една лага
L: Edna vistina i edna laga
Jedna istina i jedna laž
= one truth and one lie
We have an interesting g-ž relation here:
"to lie":
laže
lagati
"lie" (noun):
laga
laž
C: Една вистина и една лагаL: Edna vistina i edna laga Jedna istina i jedna laž= one truth and one lie
We have an interesting g-ž relation here:
"to lie":
laže lagati"lie" (noun):
laga laž
13.
C: Иако заедно сме
L: Iako zaedno sme
Iako smo zajedno
= Even though we are together
"Iako zajedno smo" is a possible word order in Croatian, but it sounds very poetic.
zaedno, zajedno, from "za" (for) + "(j)edno" (one)
C: Иако заедно сме L: Iako zaedno sme Iako smo zajedno= Even though we are together
"Iako zajedno smo" is a possible word order in Croatian, but it sounds very poetic.
zaedno, zajedno, from "za" (for) + "(j)edno" (one)
14.
C: Јас бирам среќа, ти бираш тага
L: Jas biram sreḱa, ti biraš taga
Ja biram sreću, ti biraš tugu
= I'm choosing happiness, you're choosing sorrow
sreḱa, sreća (happiness) are from Proto-Slavic *sъrętja which meant "meeting, encounter"
C: Јас бирам среќа, ти бираш тага L: Jas biram sreḱa, ti biraš taga Ja biram sreću, ti biraš tugu= I'm choosing happiness, you're choosing sorrow
sreḱa, sreća (happiness) are from Proto-Slavic *sъrętja which meant "meeting, encounter"
In fact, "to meet, to encounter by accident" is very similar to the words "sreḱa" and "sreća":
("to meet, to encounter by accident" - "happiness")
среќава (sreḱava) - sreḱa
sresti - sreća
("to meet, to encounter by accident" - "happiness")
среќава (sreḱava) - sreḱa sresti - sreća
15.
C: Црно и бело е сè
L: Crno i belo e sè
Crno i belo je sve
C: Добро и лошо, ништо не ги дели
L: Dobro i lošo, ništo ne gi deli
Dobro i loše, ništa ih ne dijeli
= everything is black and white
nothing separates them
...
C: Црно и бело е сè L: Crno i belo e sè Crno i belo je sve C: Добро и лошо, ништо не ги дели L: Dobro i lošo, ništo ne gi deli Dobro i loše, ništa ih ne dijeli = everything is black and white
nothing separates them
...
...
deli and dijeliti are cognate with Old English Old English "dælan" (to divide, distribute, separate), now "deal"
deli and dijeliti are cognate with Old English Old English "dælan" (to divide, distribute, separate), now "deal"
I got a bit tired and it's quite late (I underestimated how much time I'll need to tweet all this ) so I'll continue tomorrow.
If you liked this, I might make more threads that compare languages. We finally got *the results* so we can wait for the end of this thread...
) so I'll continue tomorrow. If you liked this, I might make more threads that compare languages. We finally got *the results* so we can wait for the end of this thread...
Before I move on, I have to correct the translation mistake in the last line (I was tired indeed),
So,
15.
C: Добро и лошо, ништо не ги дели
L: Dobro i lošo, ništa ne gi deli
Dobro i loše, ništa ih ne dijeli
= Good and bad, nothing separates them
So,
15.
C: Добро и лошо, ништо не ги дели L: Dobro i lošo, ništa ne gi deli Dobro i loše, ništa ih ne dijeli= Good and bad, nothing separates them
16.
C: Дај сега насмевни се
L: Daj sega nasmevni se
Daj se sada nasmiješi
= Come on, smile now
"to smile":
се насмевне (se nasmevne)
nasmiješiti se
It's interesting that in Macedonian, the reflexive "se" usually comes before the verb, but after an imperative...
C: Дај сега насмевни се L: Daj sega nasmevni se Daj se sada nasmiješi= Come on, smile now
"to smile":
се насмевне (se nasmevne) nasmiješiti seIt's interesting that in Macedonian, the reflexive "se" usually comes before the verb, but after an imperative...
In Croatian,
"nasmiješiti se" = to smile for a moment
but,
"nasmijati se" = to have a good, long laugh
"osmijeh" (smile; noun), is formed by "o-" + "smijeh" (laugh, laughter)
"nasmiješiti se" = to smile for a moment
but,
"nasmijati se" = to have a good, long laugh
"osmijeh" (smile; noun), is formed by "o-" + "smijeh" (laugh, laughter)
17.
C: Денот ме води во ноќи бели
L: Denot me vodi vo noḱi beli
Dan me vodi u noći bijele
= The day is guiding me to white nights
It surprised me to learn that "denot" is a definite unspecified form of "den" (day), Croatian doesn't have this, only "dan" in nominative.
C: Денот ме води во ноќи бели L: Denot me vodi vo noḱi beli Dan me vodi u noći bijele= The day is guiding me to white nights
It surprised me to learn that "denot" is a definite unspecified form of "den" (day), Croatian doesn't have this, only "dan" in nominative.
18.
C: Во очи сега гледај ме, таму ти ќе најдеш сè
L: Vo oči sega gledaj me, tamu ti ḱe najdeš sè
U oči sada gledaj me, tamo ti ćeš naći sve
= Now look me in the eyes, you'll find everything there
ogledalo (mirror) is derived from "gledati" (to look, to watch)
C: Во очи сега гледај ме, таму ти ќе најдеш сè L: Vo oči sega gledaj me, tamu ti ḱe najdeš sè U oči sada gledaj me, tamo ti ćeš naći sve= Now look me in the eyes, you'll find everything there
ogledalo (mirror) is derived from "gledati" (to look, to watch)
19:
C: Ајде предај се до крај
L: Ajde predaj se do kraj
Ajde predaj se do kraja
= Come on surrender completely,
"do kraj"/"do kraja" lit. mean "until the end", but in this context,do kraj and do kraja mean "completely, to the full"
C: Ајде предај се до крајL: Ajde predaj se do kraj Ajde predaj se do kraja = Come on surrender completely,
"do kraj"/"do kraja" lit. mean "until the end", but in this context,
do kraj and do kraja mean "completely, to the full"
20.
C: за ново раѓање, со мене
L: za novo raǵanje, so mene
za novo rađanje, sa mnom
= for a new beginning, with me
As previously mentioned,raǵanje and rađanje literally mean "the act of giving birth", "birthing"...
C: за ново раѓање, со менеL: za novo raǵanje, so mene za novo rađanje, sa mnom= for a new beginning, with me
As previously mentioned,
raǵanje and rađanje literally mean "the act of giving birth", "birthing"...
... novo (new) are from the same PIE root *néwos as:
novo
nuovo
nouveau
new
νέος (néos; "young, youthful, modern, new)
նոր (nor; "new, fresh")
novo (new) are from the same PIE root *néwos as: novo nuovo nouveau new νέος (néos; "young, youthful, modern, new) նոր (nor; "new, fresh")
Aaand I'm finally done. I'll note that the similarity between Macedonian and Croatian seen in this thread - I didn't really hear it when listening to the song. I heard a familiar word here and there, but wasn't aware of just how much it's all similar to Croatian...
I'll note that the similarity between Macedonian and Croatian seen in this thread - I didn't really hear it when listening to the song. I heard a familiar word here and there, but wasn't aware of just how much it's all similar to Croatian...
