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*The Donny van de Beek Non-Issue*
Over the last few weeks, the constant chatter has been VDB& #39;s playing time.
United have played 8 games so far and Donny has featured in 7. Only Rashford has featured in more.
Either way let& #39;s dive in & tackle this non-issue
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*The Donny van de Beek Non-Issue*
Over the last few weeks, the constant chatter has been VDB& #39;s playing time.
United have played 8 games so far and Donny has featured in 7. Only Rashford has featured in more.
Either way let& #39;s dive in & tackle this non-issue
One of United& #39;s biggest issue last season was the lack of creativity on the bench. Ole was criticized for not making substitutions when the game wasn& #39;t going our way.
Against Seville in the EL Semi& #39;s we didn& #39;t make a sub until the 87th min - clear sign Ole didn& #39;t trust his bench
Against Seville in the EL Semi& #39;s we didn& #39;t make a sub until the 87th min - clear sign Ole didn& #39;t trust his bench
This season, the first thing he addressed was this issue
- Donny van de Beek for ÂŁ35m
Donny has primarily played as an AM at Ajax but has also featured at CM and very rarely at DM too.
But Ole didn& #39;t sign him to be a CM/DM, Ole signed him to be a back up 10 as is clear below
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- Donny van de Beek for ÂŁ35m
Donny has primarily played as an AM at Ajax but has also featured at CM and very rarely at DM too.
But Ole didn& #39;t sign him to be a CM/DM, Ole signed him to be a back up 10 as is clear below
Donny in his 1st interview abt what Ole told him:
"He said he knew exactly what my biggest strengths are & told me that he wants me to be in & around the 16 yard box at Man United too."
& #39;Being in and around the 16 yard box& #39; - Donny signed bcs he wanted to play up the field
"He said he knew exactly what my biggest strengths are & told me that he wants me to be in & around the 16 yard box at Man United too."
& #39;Being in and around the 16 yard box& #39; - Donny signed bcs he wanted to play up the field
Now you may ask "Sure but he wasn& #39;t signed as backup"
Ole: "His ability to see space, time his movements & read the game will really complement the qualities that we& #39;ve in midfield. His arrival really strengthens the depth of talent we have in that position"
Keyword: & #39;depth& #39;
Ole: "His ability to see space, time his movements & read the game will really complement the qualities that we& #39;ve in midfield. His arrival really strengthens the depth of talent we have in that position"
Keyword: & #39;depth& #39;
Now you& #39;re thinking "but VDB won& #39;t be ok with this!"
VDB: “I& #39;ll start at zero again at ManUtd. That might seem sad, but I love it. If you start down the ladder you can begin to climb up again. It’s now up to me to see how high I can reach. I see this as a challenge.”
Mentality!
VDB: “I& #39;ll start at zero again at ManUtd. That might seem sad, but I love it. If you start down the ladder you can begin to climb up again. It’s now up to me to see how high I can reach. I see this as a challenge.”
Mentality!
Of course as we know even hearing it from VDB & Ole themselves is seldom enough for our fanbase
So I present to you some & #39;stats& #39; bcs a lot of you seem to trust that more than what the actual players says
Let& #39;s take a look at some stats that shows the step up he has to make now:
So I present to you some & #39;stats& #39; bcs a lot of you seem to trust that more than what the actual players says
Let& #39;s take a look at some stats that shows the step up he has to make now:
Donny has had 3 top flight seasons where he has played more than 2000 mins
- 17/18
- 18/19
- 19/20
Ajax primarily play in 3 major competitions
- Eredivisie, the Dutch premier league
- Champions league/Europa league
- KNVB Cup, the domestic cup
Now lets see how much they play:
- 17/18
- 18/19
- 19/20
Ajax primarily play in 3 major competitions
- Eredivisie, the Dutch premier league
- Champions league/Europa league
- KNVB Cup, the domestic cup
Now lets see how much they play:
In the prev 3 seasons:
Ajax in total played
- 138 games
- these 3 seasons combined ran for 826 days
United in that time played
- 171 games in 835 days
In other words,
United played 33 more games than Ajax in just 9 extra days (reminder: a full season is 38 games)
Ajax in total played
- 138 games
- these 3 seasons combined ran for 826 days
United in that time played
- 171 games in 835 days
In other words,
United played 33 more games than Ajax in just 9 extra days (reminder: a full season is 38 games)
This is a fundamental reason why someone who was a regular starter in a smaller league might not be able to instantly be a regular starter in the PL
Now add
- better opposition
- faster pace
- more physicality
- more pressure
and you see why young players might need easing in
Now add
- better opposition
- faster pace
- more physicality
- more pressure
and you see why young players might need easing in
Even then just how much time can VDB expect to get.
For that let& #39;s look at Utd AM& #39;s last season:
Jesse as AM
21 Apps | 17 starts | 1307 mins
Mata as AM
18 Apps | 14 Starts | 1179 mins
Periera as AM
14 Apps | 10 starts | 877 mins
Bruno as AM
21 Apps | 20 starts | 804 mins
For that let& #39;s look at Utd AM& #39;s last season:
Jesse as AM
21 Apps | 17 starts | 1307 mins
Mata as AM
18 Apps | 14 Starts | 1179 mins
Periera as AM
14 Apps | 10 starts | 877 mins
Bruno as AM
21 Apps | 20 starts | 804 mins
Now,
- Bruno came in at Jan & hasn& #39;t rested since bc he& #39;s had no backup
- this is a shortened season meaning more games in less amount of time meaning there will be need for more rotations
- Andreas has been loaned out, Lingard hasn& #39;t played much & Mata is now playing RW more
- Bruno came in at Jan & hasn& #39;t rested since bc he& #39;s had no backup
- this is a shortened season meaning more games in less amount of time meaning there will be need for more rotations
- Andreas has been loaned out, Lingard hasn& #39;t played much & Mata is now playing RW more
All this means only one thing:
Bruno will need a lot of rest to get through this season and when he does, the primary backup will be VDB
United played 61 games last season, more than any in the last 3 seasons bc we got to 3 semifinals (1st time we have done that since SAF)
Bruno will need a lot of rest to get through this season and when he does, the primary backup will be VDB
United played 61 games last season, more than any in the last 3 seasons bc we got to 3 semifinals (1st time we have done that since SAF)
This means we are looking at a 55-60 game season min depending on how far we go in cups
That is 55-60 starts for an AM
Even if Bruno starts 40 of them (which is a lot considering the shortened season) we are still looking at at least 30-35 appearances for VDB (he already has 7)
That is 55-60 starts for an AM
Even if Bruno starts 40 of them (which is a lot considering the shortened season) we are still looking at at least 30-35 appearances for VDB (he already has 7)
This& #39;ll be the perfect introduction for VDB to the English game:
30-35 apps in his first season in a new league means he gets to ease himself in while also getting a LOT of minutes without too much pressure while also giving our primary no 10 enough and more rest - planning.
30-35 apps in his first season in a new league means he gets to ease himself in while also getting a LOT of minutes without too much pressure while also giving our primary no 10 enough and more rest - planning.
Remember Donny has already played 233 mins this season while Bruno has played just 505.
He& #39;s already playing almost half as much as Bruno, that number will only go up as the season progresses as Bruno rests & Donny starts more.
It isn& #39;t the end of the world as some suggest.
He& #39;s already playing almost half as much as Bruno, that number will only go up as the season progresses as Bruno rests & Donny starts more.
It isn& #39;t the end of the world as some suggest.
To recap
- VDB was signed as a backup 10
- VDB is thrilled & sees it as a challenge
- VDB is coming into a bigger more intense league
- VDB isn& #39;t used to the demands of the English game
- VDB will need easing in to get him up to pace &
- VDB will get a lot of games by season end
- VDB was signed as a backup 10
- VDB is thrilled & sees it as a challenge
- VDB is coming into a bigger more intense league
- VDB isn& #39;t used to the demands of the English game
- VDB will need easing in to get him up to pace &
- VDB will get a lot of games by season end
Journos will always find something to write about Utd.
If things are going badly the usual suspects are
- Ole, tactics, dressing room harmony
If things are going well then
-Pogba, Martial, and now Mason & VDB
Before overreacting, look at the bigger picture & keep a cool head.
If things are going badly the usual suspects are
- Ole, tactics, dressing room harmony
If things are going well then
-Pogba, Martial, and now Mason & VDB
Before overreacting, look at the bigger picture & keep a cool head.
VDB is a 23 year old fantastic talent who could very well be here for the next 10 years & we& #39;re 8 games into a 60 game season
Let& #39;s let& #39;s cut out the unnecessary negativity and let& #39;s trust the manager who& #39;s shown just how good he is at handling youngsters to handle VDB well too.
Let& #39;s let& #39;s cut out the unnecessary negativity and let& #39;s trust the manager who& #39;s shown just how good he is at handling youngsters to handle VDB well too.
This is a slight correction
Bruno as AM
21 Apps | 20 starts | 1733* mins
I had gotten the calculation for the minutes wrong.
It doesn& #39;t affect the rest of the thread or the point I am trying to make.
Just shows I need to triple check my data before posting.
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Apologies.
Bruno as AM
21 Apps | 20 starts | 1733* mins
I had gotten the calculation for the minutes wrong.
It doesn& #39;t affect the rest of the thread or the point I am trying to make.
Just shows I need to triple check my data before posting.
Apologies.