So Ms. Marvel is cancelled but I imagine there will be a new series in the future till then let's talk about characters who GOT PUSHES then fell off the deep end in obscurity. This happens in every generation and isn't an actual measure of quality.

For what it's worth I view Ms. Marvel first series as an okay book with a lot of good bits here and there but it was hard to feel she was an organic character sometimes. There is history here to characters like these and let's go over some of them.

First up the Detroit Justice League, for decades the Justice League was known for being the super team of DC most popular members but this meant ongoing stories had to be limited in scope because they couldn't contradict their ongoing. This team was made to solve that.

This was also an attept to make another Teen Titans for the company. Why did it fail? Most of the characters didn't take off and the Vibe was just very unlikable even as the guy who is a jerk. This team was an attempt but they didn't hit it out of the park right away.

The first post women lib's push at Marvel produced 3 short live titles. Not bad for there time honestly but they weren't marketed well and didn't find that audience back in the day. Night Nurse herself became a bit of a punch line but Cat and Shanna became mainstays.

Cat would go on to become Tigra a frequent member of the Avengers. Shanna would become a support and secondary protagonist in the Ka-zar series.

Night Nurse would find use a weird shared identity between several people who would help supereheroes and super villains after fights. the comic was actually a down to earth soap but okay.

Ms. Marvel, or Carol is a rather sad case of a character with MULTIPLE pushes and never clicking. Well focus on her first push because man.
*her MAJOR villains went to the X-men after
*costume change late in the title
She was considered such a failure Marvel wanted her gone.

Here's the truth about bad stories, sometime something is so bad, it keeps the character around because writers feel the need to fix it. The Sad thing about 200 is that this story was just made to make her gone and if that happened Carol just might have not been used for decades

Because of it we go better stuff that came out from it, for one Rogue, and the new Brotherhood, and a place for her on the Starjammers that meant she was active instead of just gone from COMICS. She could be brought back at any time.

Moving on from that, the New Bloods from DC, an attempt to create a bunch of new heroes for the 90's all but one FLOPPED. To be fair most of them were...kind of bad. Honestly there are not a lot of great stuff here.

Let's go over a couple special losers from this one, the Jam created for the Legion of superheroes only had one or two appearances because he was such a scumbag no one like him. He also had seduction powers so extra creepy.

Gunfire was one of the ongoings that spawed from this and boy he was such a failure, Garth was allowed to make fun of him not too long after.

Back to Marvel again let's focus on 2099, we have the first original character for the Setting Ravage, this character stuck around for a couple years but man they reinvented the character a couple times before just killing him off and never being used again even in the revivals.

But those are the big two...what about the OTHERS....let's have ourselves a little look at Image and the books that are just gone.

Deadly Class was one of the cases that I was reminded about because the creator has a new series with buzz, there is a joke in comics fandoms that Image comics are just tv pitches but this comic did get a show...that was cancelled. The comic folded not long after.

Injection by Warren Ellis was going to become a big title for image, I remember the buzz.
*what happened?
The creator stopped working on it at all and most people forget this book even existed. This book only has 15 issues. I have a theory that Warren leave project because well..

They don't become hits. He had another series trees going on at the time same time that had the EXACT same thing happen, I think the only book he finished out on was the Supreme series blue rose. Supreme is a rework of the Rob Liefeld Superman.

Over at Darkhorse in the 90's, their entire superehro universe might be a good example of one. Some of these guy are cult classics(Ghost and X) but Barb Wire and other are mostly known for being kind of special.

Over at Valiant Divinity is one I think about who got pushed as this extreme experimental superhero comic when reading it, it was just a Doctor Manhatan rift with some interesting history about a Black Russian cosmonaught who decided to remake the world where Russia ruled.

Back to Archie Cheryl Blossom, this is a weird case, Cheryl was initially a major new character who injected new life into the comic by adding an extra layer to the famous love triangle of Archie, and fans liked her. But...well things happened.

She got so pushed FANS GOT SICK OF HER, one problem was initially she was too similar to Veronica so for a while she was just not used for almost a decade because of how pushed she was.

To throw the bone to the Sonic Archie fandom Knuckles. So because the writer Ken Penders couldn't do much with Sonic somehow , Kncukles was more free to use so all the Plot started to go to him rather than the hero of the franchise. This title was infamous for how bad it got.

Let's go over to villains, the Regent by Dan Slott. This Darkseid Apoclypse wannabee was so to be the big game changer because he was introduced in the alt universe title Renew your vows that had Peter and MJ together.....which was all people cared about and not this bozo.

Imperirex is a very good example of one, made for the Crossover our Worlds at war he most major appearance is people forgetting he exists till he is brought up on a list like this.

Like seriously how many of you knew he was in the Legion of Superheroes cartoon? I'm a fan of this show and I forget he is even in it.

the Maquis of Death, a spin off villain from the mini 1985, this guy was supposedly the guy who trained Doom and if there is one thing Doom fans hates besides him losing to that Blasted Richards it's making him the bitch boy to other villains.

A weird very specific one, the Orb during the Original sin crossover event, the orb is a very fun looking obscure villain with a cult fanbase....and original sin did nothing to change that.

Now moving on from villains let's get to supporting characters. Felicity Smoak was put into the Green Arrow comics to tie into to the show the problem?

By that time she was becoming hated in the show, and the comics fandom is very different from Arrow in terms of shipping, mostly because while Black Canary is not exactly the most clean character continuity wise but people like her way better in the comics then the show.

Spider-man fans may remember Carlie Cooper. A character who was pushed to high heaven as Spider-man's next great love interest, She was put on a cover of his greatest loves before they even got together in the comic. If you look up old posts....no one liked her.

Ultimate Electra got her own miniseries, this was one of the first chinks in the Ultimate line for one reason, it showed not EVERYONE needed a reboot and honestly most are fine as is, because all this did was turn the character into generic anti hero.

Now there are of course plenty more I could name and honestly make this thread 200 hundred posts but is there anything to learn from this? What is my point? Well here's how I view things.

Look we never know what will be a hit but only in rare occasions is artificial hype a way to get a character over. Take One take the entire Inhumans line of comics, they were exploited to be the next big thing but Marvel could not just wait it out on them.

We can't get everyone over, there are always going to be losers in every generation. Take Hank Pym from the 60's, he one of the few characters created in that era who DID not get an ongoing. Hulk, Namor, Cap, Strange and Fury all did.

But sometimes a writer can come in and fix some stuff up. Sword of the Atom brought new life to the character in 70-80's ranger keeping him active in DC books as a unique barbarian scientist hero.

Manhunter took a golden age character and made him a martial arts conspiracy hero, a great run of backups made him a very good unknown into a cult classic with weight behind his name, also a character who was not brought back to life.

Vertigo hype as a hole both ruined and strengthen other characters, some runs were like Deadman strange forgettable titles. Other breathed new life into people.

what there is to say there is no winning formula for characters and sometimes the right creator just have to have a bad day and go, "I got mugged so now I'm going to take the Spectre and draw some of the most horrifying images to get out my rage at society"

But there is another side to this as well, meet Tomahawk this character you never heard of. This guy LASTED 101 ISSUES and is a DC comics character, this guy had a 101 issue solo and now just does NOT EXIST AS a major character.

this is in Comparison to Sgt Rock who still even now gets the nods and acclaim. Whatever the case some character will end up being a symbol of an era and maybe 20 years later get a gameboy game because the license is so cheap. We don't know the next big thing, but I will say this

A lot of stuff I like are from different era of comics, but I like them for them, it's good to back to a title without the hype and see the stronge core of them. You can't like and Hate everything but character who have more good material tend to stick around.

comic history tends to rhyme if we do get new creators were going to see personal favs and get reevaluation because they read them as fans or they want a blank slate no one cares about. Well see who ends up sticking around but hey we can't all by Bloodwynd!

he is actually in the best selling graphic novel Death of Superman meaning more people have read about him then you might know and yet he is very obscure.He's even there in the splash page of it. and yet it did him no favors. Oh well it's comics kid.

You either start as a Spider-man or a Dazzler. And HOPE TO GOD YOU NOT CONNECTED TO SOME WEIRD POP CULTURE BULLSHIT AT THE TIME. IT DOES HELP! But who knows.
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Yes I do pan on covering this when it comes out, HOW CAN I NOW COVER THE MAN WITH THE POWERS OF GOOGLE MAPS! SOMEONE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA! IN THIS DAY AND AGE! But yeah sometimes you can just see failure. It's not a good feeling.