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Great thread on Kobe vs. West by @Wilts_GOAT
My thread is a little different.
For both players, I'll adjust from their era to median era of the 1955-2020 period.
West played in the highest PTS & REB era; Kobe played in lowest.
I'll use per 36 MP to further level the field. https://twitter.com/Wilts_GOAT/status/1318452522223345664
My thread is a little different.
For both players, I'll adjust from their era to median era of the 1955-2020 period.
West played in the highest PTS & REB era; Kobe played in lowest.
I'll use per 36 MP to further level the field. https://twitter.com/Wilts_GOAT/status/1318452522223345664
Career adjusted era & per 36 MP:
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.504, .835, .587, 3.7, 6.0, 23.0 West
.465, .837, .541, 5.5, 4.9, 26.9 Kobe
West more efficient: TS+ 112-103
West more AST. But played PG for 1/2 career.
Kobe higher PTS & REB. This shows importance of adjusting.
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.504, .835, .587, 3.7, 6.0, 23.0 West
.465, .837, .541, 5.5, 4.9, 26.9 Kobe
West more efficient: TS+ 112-103
West more AST. But played PG for 1/2 career.
Kobe higher PTS & REB. This shows importance of adjusting.
West is incredibly consistent, especially in scoring, after his rookie year. He really had a 12 year peak.
You can see his assists go up in second half of career as became PG.
His TS% is consistently far above Kobe's.
Kobe's 2006 (33.8/36) is an all-time monster scoring year.
You can see his assists go up in second half of career as became PG.
His TS% is consistently far above Kobe's.
Kobe's 2006 (33.8/36) is an all-time monster scoring year.
Kobe fans claim that his last three years after his 2013 injury don't really count.
But without 2014-16, his career adjusted stats don't change much:
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.465, .837, .541, 5.5, 4.9, 26.9 (1997-2013)
.471, .838, .547, 5.5, 5.0, 27.2 (1997-2016)
But without 2014-16, his career adjusted stats don't change much:
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.465, .837, .541, 5.5, 4.9, 26.9 (1997-2013)
.471, .838, .547, 5.5, 5.0, 27.2 (1997-2016)
West vs. Kobe: RS Advanced Stats:
WS/48:
.213 West
.170 Kobe
OWS/48:
.164 West
.121 Kobe
DWS/48
.050 West
.050 Kobe
PER:
22.9 West
22.9 Kobe
WS & PER include all stats.
But OWS is sensitive to efficiency, so West > Kobe.
PER is more sensitive to scoring, so PER is closer.
WS/48:
.213 West
.170 Kobe
OWS/48:
.164 West
.121 Kobe
DWS/48
.050 West
.050 Kobe
PER:
22.9 West
22.9 Kobe
WS & PER include all stats.
But OWS is sensitive to efficiency, so West > Kobe.
PER is more sensitive to scoring, so PER is closer.
Kobe has significant advantage in longevity, 33% more MP:
48637
36571
So let's look at Kobe's career through when he had played about the same number of MP as West's entire career. That is a more apples-apples comparison.
48637
36571
So let's look at Kobe's career through when he had played about the same number of MP as West's entire career. That is a more apples-apples comparison.
Through 2010, Kobe played 37366 MP, close to West's 36571 (795 more).
But Kobe's average career stats through 2010 aren't much different than his entire career.
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.504, .835, .587, 3.7, 6.0, 23.0 West
.473, .839, .549, 5.5, 4.9, 27.0 Kobe 1997-2010
But Kobe's average career stats through 2010 aren't much different than his entire career.
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.504, .835, .587, 3.7, 6.0, 23.0 West
.473, .839, .549, 5.5, 4.9, 27.0 Kobe 1997-2010
Advanced stats: West & Kobe through 2010:
MP:
37366 Kobe
36571 West
WS/48:
.213 West
.187 Kobe
OWS/48:
.164 West
.134 Kobe
DWS/48
.050 West
.053 Kobe
PER:
22.9 West
23.5 Kobe
TS+:
112 West
105 Kobe
MP:
37366 Kobe
36571 West
WS/48:
.213 West
.187 Kobe
OWS/48:
.164 West
.134 Kobe
DWS/48
.050 West
.053 Kobe
PER:
22.9 West
23.5 Kobe
TS+:
112 West
105 Kobe
So regular-season stats (adjusted for era & MP) and RS advanced stats are close.
So:
West > Kobe if you like TS%, AST, OWS.
Kobe > West if you like PTS, REB, PER.
Kobe has a 1/3 longer career in MP, so I'd take him.
(Ofc, Kobe able to start in NBA 4 years younger than West.)
So:
West > Kobe if you like TS%, AST, OWS.
Kobe > West if you like PTS, REB, PER.
Kobe has a 1/3 longer career in MP, so I'd take him.
(Ofc, Kobe able to start in NBA 4 years younger than West.)
West vs. Kobe: Playoffs
Career PO stats, adjusted era & 36 MP:
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.503, .830, .579, 3.5, 5.6, 24.2 West
.477, .820, .539, 5.0, 5.1, 26.3 Kobe
Very similar to their RS stats. Also similar to each other's stats.
Note: All Kobe's POs before injury.
Career PO stats, adjusted era & 36 MP:
FG%, FT%, TS, R/36, A/36, P/36
.503, .830, .579, 3.5, 5.6, 24.2 West
.477, .820, .539, 5.0, 5.1, 26.3 Kobe
Very similar to their RS stats. Also similar to each other's stats.
Note: All Kobe's POs before injury.
West vs. Kobe: Advanced Stats in Playoffs:
WS/48:
.203 (.213 in RS) West
.157 (.170 in RS) Kobe
OWS/48:
.162 (.164 RS) West
.117 (.121 RS) Kobe
DWS/48:
.041 (.050 RS) West
.041 (.050 RS) Kobe
PER:
23.1 West
22.4 Kobe
WS/48:
.203 (.213 in RS) West
.157 (.170 in RS) Kobe
OWS/48:
.162 (.164 RS) West
.117 (.121 RS) Kobe
DWS/48:
.041 (.050 RS) West
.041 (.050 RS) Kobe
PER:
23.1 West
22.4 Kobe
Kobe vs. West: Summary
After adjusting for era & 36 MP:
Kobe > West in PTS, REB
West > Kobe in TS%, AST, OWS
Defense: DWS/48: EVEN
Kobe's post-injury stats didn't bring his RS career averages down much. (No POs after injury.)
Kobe 33% more MP. (But he started 4 yrs younger.)
After adjusting for era & 36 MP:
Kobe > West in PTS, REB
West > Kobe in TS%, AST, OWS
Defense: DWS/48: EVEN
Kobe's post-injury stats didn't bring his RS career averages down much. (No POs after injury.)
Kobe 33% more MP. (But he started 4 yrs younger.)
