Hi! If you're new to the Hannibal fandom, and looking for a bit of a primer on the vs discourse, I'll be explaining the basics in this thread.

WARNING: Discussions of triggering topics to follow!

Part 1: What is a rainbow meatie?

Rainbow meaties, or people with on their profiles, are pro-shippers. In 2019, a Hannibal fanartist created an artwork for the #JustFuckMeUpFest, which deals with extreme kinks. The art was of Will and Winston, in a suggestive position that

is reminiscent of the Leda and the Swan painting that hangs in Hannibal's dining room. This art was leaked from the private, NSFW account that it was posted on and caused the artist to be harassed and threatened. She, and those who supported her, began using as a way to

signal to others that they were safe and would not harass or threaten people over the fanwork that they create or what they ship.

This is the core of the pro-ship position: anti-harassment and anti-bullying.

Pro-shippers believe that what people create or ship doesn't say anything about their moral worth as a person, and they don't deserve to get hate for it. This includes problematic and dark themes. Someone who ships Mason/Margot doesn't necessarily support incest in real life.

Someone who creates underage fanfic isn't necessarily a pedophile, nor do they condone pedophilia in real life. It's perfectly fine if these subjects are triggering or upsetting to you and you don't want to see them. We fully support everyone curating their own experiences.

All you need to be a is to believe that people don't deserve to be doxed, threatened, or bullied for their tastes in fictional content, because they don't reflect their moral worth.

Antis, or s, are anti-shippers.

Part 2: What is a ?

Anti-shippers believe that fiction has a direct, 1:1 affect on reality. They believe that it is just to attack people who ship or write about dynamics that they find harmful.

This includes bullying Wincest shippers for supporting incest, Hannigail shippers for being pedophiles, and Reylo shippers for condoning abuse. Their tactics and rhetoric are often very radfem/fascist in nature. You will see them calling people degnerates, freaks, etc.

Antis claim that shipping/portraying harmful things in fiction normalizes them and can romanticize bad situations. They argue that an age-gap ship or fic will make minors less likely to be wary of adults trying to take advantage of them, leading to their abuse.

They also believe that those who enjoy problematic things in fictional settings must also enjoy and condone them in real life, and that the existence of their content is harmful to survivors.

Part 3: Who is correct?

If you've been able to pick up on my phrasing, or you've looked at my account, you already know that I am a pro-shipper. I'm a trauma survivor myself, who copes using fictional content.

I'm not willing to detail my trauma history here, for fear of opening myself up to targeted harassment, but I've gone through a lot. And it is extremely hurtful to see people compare me to my abuser, or say that fictional stories are the same as my abuse and pain.

More than that, I don't think that anyone deserves to be bullied or harassed. I don't buy the argument that some people are fundamentally bad and deserve our hatred. People are complex, and even "bad" people deserve help to improve, not threats.

Please, if something on this site will trigger you or make you uncomfortable, avoid it. If my fanfics or ships bother you, block me. Mute me. Not because I hate you, but because I care about you as another human and want you to be safe and stable.

The minute someone stops exploring these subjects fictionally, where no one is hurt, and starts harming real-life people, you have no obligation to respect or support them. But up until that time, we shouldn't judge people when their actions are harmless.

Many survivors, such as me, are backed by our therapists in creating this work. Sexologists have studied fantasy and shown that those with taboo fantasies are not any more likely to commit sex crimes. If you believe anti rhetoric, I want you to look at who is being attacked.

Many times, it's queer people. It's women. It's neurodivergent people. It's POC.

If you believe anti rhetoric, look at what the older antis are saying.

Are they claiming something is CSEM and then sending it to you? Are they claiming other adults are bad but they are safe?

Someone who really cares about minors would never send them CSEM. No adult should be trying to position themselves as "safe" for kids on the internet. You're probably young and vulnerable, and they are preying on your vulnerabilities.

Please, stay safe.

Part 4: But someone said rainbow meat means you support incest, rape, and pedophilia?

I generally hate this argument, because I think that it's made in bad faith. But, for the sake of this thread, let's take it at face value and assume good intent.

If you truly believe that people MUST enjoy the things they like in fiction in real life, then your logical conclusion would be that people who enjoy non-con, incest kink, and underage fiction are okay with these irl So, you tell people rms support horrific things.

Make no mistake: rainbow meats are only supportive of people exploring these things in fiction, when they are tagged and can be avoided by those who don't want to see them. That's all that needs to be said.

Part 5: But what about the MAP?

*deep sigh*

Not too long ago, an open MAP (minor-attracted person) on this site put the emojis in their display name. This caused many antis to accuse us of supporting MAPs and welcoming them into our spaces.

This is not the case. Rainbow meaties immediately noticed this and began blocking the MAP.

No rainbow meaties were following the MAP. This is a claim some antis make, but in reality it was the MAP following rainbow meaties. That's two seperate things.

I don't want to entertain this too much, but know this: rainbow meaties immediately began blocking this person and calling them out, advising others who may not have seen to block them.

They aren't one of us, and now they no longer use those emojis.

End.

Part 6: What about the 12 y/o and 20 y/o tweet?

Okay, a Fannibal a few months ago made a post to make fun of antis. It talked about a 12 y/o Will and 20 y/o Hannibal falling in love, and a lot of people freaked out about this saying that the person who made the post was a pedo.

This post was INTENTIONALLY MADE to make fun of the antis. The situation itself is a reference to an old manga/anime, called Loveless. It was a play on an already existing ship dynamic, and it was specifically made to work antis up so that we knew who to block.

The person who made this post is NOT a MAP or a pedophile, despite what antis may say.

Before you condemn them for that one tweet, look at their other tweets and make a decision for yourself. One troll tweet doesn't give you everything you need to know about a person.

Part 7: Who is targeted by the antis?

The most common targets for harassment in the Hannibal fandom are @callmenephila, @FannibalJ, @grantairess, @actualadultJD, @Lokidottir3, @stratumgermani1, @whiskeyandspite, @CamilleCailloux, and often @BryanFuller himself.

However, EVERYONE is a potential target. We need to support each other and work as a community to keep ourselves safe.

This is going to be a living thread you can send to antis/newbies/neutrals. If any other situation/argument comes up that you want me to address, DM me!

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