Frank Luntz focus group, asks for one word to describe Pence: "robot... presidential... even-keeled...presidential...bland...regressive....professional...pathetic....calm....typical politician....comfortable....no emotion"

Frank Luntz focus group, asks for one word to describe Harris: "evasive...nervous...shifting blame...caring....snarky....too rehearsed....nervous....evasive....abrasive....unsteady....rigid....unpresidential"

to those asking - 9 of these 13 undecided voters are men. that said, not a clear gender divide here in their views of the candidates.

Tom from Florida says he believes Harris was "presidential" but thought she looked nervous and over-rehearsed.

Kimberly from Ohio (the lone black person in the group) agrees that Harris was "nervous" and says Pence's experience on the big stage showed. She also warns that women are perceived differently from men; points out how nobody was talking about facial expressions last week.

Debbie from Florida says she was unsatisfied w/ Harris defending Biden's record; she's worried that Biden may not finish his first term and doesn't know enough about Harris

Harry from Pennsylvania says Joe Biden wants to run the country and Donald Trump wants to run a campaign. Suggests that's his determining factor in choosing.

Kimberly says she's more on-the-fence than ever before. "I wanted Kamala to be a star, but she wasn't."

Luntz asks everyone to use a word to describe the 2020 election: "hopeful... chaos... puzzling... total chaos... a joke... chaos... life-changing... surreal... tipping point... shitshow... depressing... consequential... dumpster fire.... extremes."

(hopeful?!?!?)