Interesting to me that we have these different ideas playing out as though they're compatible. People I know contending with this believe "silicon valley" (sort of an updated CA ideology) has created a new elite, and/or the Turchin stuff which has like https://twitter.com/daily_barbarian/status/1312813843647737859

downwardly mobile Eriks in Brooklyn agitating for socialismTM because they're overproduced. But also the 50 year old Trump voter is overproduced, and so is the lumpen window-smasher.

The discourse itself feels like a cultural object. Then there's the Intuitive Marketing Sense of everyone in the discourse who put together a transmittable object for the discourse. To make the object new and hot you've got to leave out the 90s whether it's

the yuppies, the toxic white male, or "political correctness." And then there's this which is probably closer to what I think. https://newrepublic.com/article/143609/new-yuppies-how-aspirational-class-expresses-status-age-inequality

The tension in the left seems to be between Jacobin's Ikea guillotine and "queering white fragility" but there's also no tension because these are overlapping consumer objects imo. Geoff writes that the ikea guillotine is emblematic of the post-occupy left, but is it?

What is the left? When Bhaskar says the Romanov kids were rightfully killed it was in the context of the morality of the common sentiment on the left of hoping Trump would die of corona. Bhaskar is taking the opposite view from the left and he was dragged far and wide.

Not contradicting Geoff's fantastic thread because even though Bhaskar's pro-killing the Romanovs line was actually a denial of the guillotine as a useful object in contemporary politics they use the ambiguous sensibility. The ambiguous sensibility is what they use all the time.

The guillotine is the ambiguous sensibility and self-reference and cultural object-ness of all of this stuff. So I guess I'm suggesting that even "overproduced elites" is another element of this complicated cultural fractal discourse just like the guillotine. Bhaskar's real take

on the mistake of wishing Trump a painful death is the right perspective if you did want some change in politics to address overproduced elites. And yet the overproduced elites disagree. They don't want to win like Bhaskar. They don't care. They're wrapped up in normal Dem

politics - extra-hating the GOP president (incivility vs strategy) not because their Brooklyn rent is too but because of Trump's racism, conservatism, or even just incompetence.