I like and agree with both these people. The prerational/rational/meta-rational framing may help understand their apparent disagreement... https://twitter.com/kareem_carr/status/1312766149487194112?s=20

Heying argues for the value of rationality and functional systems against what I've called "pseudo-pomo": pre-rational tribal politics, driven by incoherent emotions and real or fictitious kinship, dressed up in the jargon of postmodern critical theory. https://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridge#sabotage

Fighting on behalf of rational systems is critically important now as major institutions we depend on, constructed original on rational foundations, appear to be disintegrating.

Pseudo-pomo seems to be one major cause. https://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridge#destroy

Systematic rationalism overlooks the non-rational work that relates formal systems with concrete reality (circumrationality), and the non-rational work of creating rational systems (meta-rationality).

This blind spot limits and distorts its functioning... https://meaningness.com/eggplant/credibility-post-truth

There is a new meta-rational revolution in statistical practice. Statisticians increasingly understand that there are no true or correct answers. The effectiveness of methods relating numbers & reality depends on context & purpose.

Carr, a statistician, articulates this view...

The failures of modernity—which began cracking fifty years ago and now is shaking apart before our eyes—are the failures of rationalism.

I believe we can, should, and will remodel society, culture, and ourselves on a meta-rational basis.

But... https://meaningness.com/eggplant/credibility-post-truth

You can't understand meta-rationality without already being rational.

Hooray for Heyting and other rationalists for teaching the value of rationality, and for insisting on maintaining systematic institutions during the transition!

https://meaningness.com/metablog/rationalism-critiques

Hooray for Carr and other meta-rationalists for leading us into a better future by figuring out how meta-rationality works in diverse domains, and for communicating the viewpoint to the rational public!
https://meaningness.com/eggplant/applications

[I do not know either Heying or Carr's work as well as I should; I hope I have not mischaracterized either of their views. Also, tbc, they might not recognize or accept "rationalism" or "meta-rationalism" as describing their standpoints.]