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as this seems increasingly serious and battle footage keeps reaching my TL, I've felt compelled to try to figure out who the Baddie is here.
... my preliminary conclusion is that it's Armenia. Mostly because all fighting is in what Google Earth tells me is Azerbaijan. https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/1312787082205696001
... my preliminary conclusion is that it's Armenia. Mostly because all fighting is in what Google Earth tells me is Azerbaijan. https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/1312787082205696001
This is a pretttty far distance from your own official border to be a combatant where a city here is being shelled.
... so maybe the problem is that your soldiers aren't on their side of the border?
... so maybe the problem is that your soldiers aren't on their side of the border?
Ok, and sure. But youâre probably the Baddie if youâre shelling cities inside another countries official borders to preserve the ethnic-ness of said enclave. Unless youâre trying to stop a genocide or something. https://twitter.com/twaix21/status/1312790239866314752
Which is why I think you have to prove that the existing recognized borders are putting people in danger, and need armed conflict to protect, if youâre shelling inside another country over this dispute. tbh, Ukrainian ârebelsâ tried to make a more convincing case than Armenia has https://twitter.com/gtreow/status/1312790765857169413
What Iâve read so far is that the disputed land is mostly barren (after the 90âs war) and this is now mostly about Az farmers who moved in, changing the status quo. So no genocide or anything like that, but cities are getting shelled over it now. https://twitter.com/gtreow/status/1312791187594461189
Counterpoint: isnât Albania being backed by Russia and Iran on this? I donât want to side with Turkey, but... maybe everyone should just stop the shooting unless thereâs real atrocities happening that need to be prevented? Not just âthe âwrongâ ppl moved in to cultivate landâ https://twitter.com/oneoneder/status/1312792284509990913
I really have no idea who the Baddie is here. Iâm just saying I spent about 45 mins trying to determine a conclusion and saw no decent Armenian case for why theyâre shelling whatâs clearly officially recognized Az territory.
Other than they think itâs rightfully their territory
Other than they think itâs rightfully their territory
I make no contention that the history isnât extremely complex! But itâs 2020 & despite all the norms being shattered, I think you still need a pretty rock solid case for why your soldiers are shelling cities that arenât recognized as your own.
... absent a damn good reason. https://twitter.com/JBFalke/status/1312794219950424065
... absent a damn good reason. https://twitter.com/JBFalke/status/1312794219950424065
Because this situation describes most post-colonial borders and weâve all kinda agreed that ethnic political pluralism is a better option than 155mm shells and Iskanders, unless you can convincingly prove the minority community needs said armed protection? https://twitter.com/jbfalke/status/1312795264537690113
the RW populist fight now is over how weâve all basically accepted that different types of people live in different territorial jurisdictions and we just make peace with that as best we can by not letting those ppl be oppressed or killed. Armenia isnât making that argument.
My suspicion is that the [denied] Armenian Genocide makes most ppl automatically want to side with Armenia. Iâm just saying when you go over their causus belli, itâs pretty weak. And maybe they should stop shelling cities in Az to get whatever their point is across. https://twitter.com/robotbeat/status/1312796559474655237
I know where Serj Tankian likely stands on this, he was a huge influence on my university-era politics, but... idk. https://twitter.com/kuzeyokyanusu/status/1312798949825224706
Presented anonymously. I want to reiterate I donât know who to blame, Albania just a tentative conclusion
Even peacenik ârules of the roadâ allow for shooting of armed opponents >100km within your own officially recognized border, however poorly drawn? https://twitter.com/neturbrye/status/1312805066395525120
Itâs almost 2am I think I swapped Armenia for Albania, so donât take this too seriously other than a very tentative preliminary research into something I know nothing about.
