GOING SEVENTEEN BAD CLUE (QUESTIONS, CONSPIRACY, CLUES); A long thread

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Q. Why is the chairman having a party to kill everybody or it was a party made by someone but named it to the chairman. Someone who knows everyone who are invited and knows the relationship of each person to the chairman. (Further explanation as thread goes on)

Clues per profile:

Seokmin: 43 yrs old the 2nd child of CEO. Pres of BSK. PHYSICALLY and PSYCHOLOGICALLY abused by his father. Tried to kill his father and forged its will together with JOSH and WON.

Hao: 55, Vice president and the 2nd line up to the success the founder member of BSK and got promoted due to his own bad tactics of stealing one's spotlight.(Others work)

Cheol: 72, Vice-Chairman. an old friend of Chairman yet tried to kill each other due to management issue. 1st in line to succeed the company with out the chairman. A lot of business issue

Gyu: 20, Grandson who studies Bus. Ad. Has an UNKNOWN mental illness. suffer sleeping disorder after the day he witnessed his own's father's death at the age of 5 yrs old.

Jeonghan:(29) The son from another wife. Due to intelligence the chairman favored him. Later on (recently at the party) knew what the chairman did to his mother

Jun: (60) butler for 33 yrs but had an eye to the family within 38 yrs.(?) Knows all about the abuse

Dino:(48) Corrupted prosecutor who turned blind about the bad things happening inside BSK. After being declined to be promoted seen to be with Cheol always.

Hoshi: (47)Journalist (unofficially) who basically knows park junki bcuz he get info from him. Basically knows everything

Wonwoo: (43)Family doctor. has an alliance with seokmin to kill the CEO

Joshua:(41) Personal attorney of Chairman. Executor of the will but got an (Unofficial) alliance with seok and won.

Vernon: (47) Executive Sec. , former sec of Junki and super close with junki and his son mingyu. Knows most about the CEO's dirt.

Woozi: (30) Detective, an old acquaintance and once played chess with him. one that always at the CEO's side.recently got death threats

Q.
+Why Hoshi needs to know everything about the Park's family and also the BSK company
+Why wonwoo got an alliance with seokmin?for what?
+why Joshua also got an alliance with seokwon?
+Why did hao said he work at everything at the company?to make his profile good?

+Why do mingyu got another doctor if they have a family doctor which is wonwoo?
+Why the Ceo said he wanted to kill hoshi when he knew junki suicide?is it because hohi said junki was murdered and blame it to him?

+Why hoshi needs more money? Where did he usually use all his money and loans?
+Why is mingyu and jeonghan also finding something do they also trying to find the will?or just a clue?
+Do Seokwonshua wont try to find the killer but will only find the will instead?

+Why mingyu's mental illness is unknown? Do he really have a mental illness? is it really sleeping pill he is taking? Is he also trying to get the company from the fact he said his gradpa wants him to study bus. ad?

+ Why does woozy receive death threats? is it because he knew about Cheol and Chan?
+ Why do hoshi had a journal about the President, Lawyer and the doctor days before they meet each other?
+Why Cheol doesn't met hoshi if he knows the chairman himself?(interacted with the chairma

+why does jun said "I thought he was killed too" when he he said he knew junki killed himself?
+Why does chan got killed 1st? is it because he finally nea to know spill something?

+why Cheol got killed? is it because if he dies someone will finally step forward to his position or because CEO wanted and the killer acts like what the ceo wants with a motif of having something.
+why did Vernon doesn't know where the CEO is if he is the secretary?

+Is someone pretending to be junki or junki is still alive?
+Why the culprit wants to kill everyone?

Clues and explanations:

~ Hao has been asked by seok where is the chairman. if he will join the party or not yet hao only answered he doesn't know and he only see him(seok). where implicates about how he is trying lure the president's trust by his loyalty.(fake façade)

~ he was asked again by Cheol who entered the room with an injured hand due to someone trying to kill him. (It was stated later on at the episode) yet hao only answered he will give the chairman a call. Mingyu enters with a sleeping pill (Why did he brought SP at a party?)

~ Due to family affair Jeoghan and seokmin never got the chance to see each other where a bit fishy because how did they ddnt got the chance to meet each other if they work at the same company?

~ later the episode mingyu asked if the CEO will come no one knows even the president and vice p yet Cheol said " I heard he will not come where made me confused of why soons said they will look around first to wait for the CEO to come (He said this after everyone came)

~ at 5:00min jun gave won a glass of water or what. after that Joshua came in and jun was gone for a moment. at 5:19min he is suspiciously hiding something inside his coat. I wonder why a butler has a coat like that. Do some butler wear that kind of coats?

~ Cheol said that the company wont be passed trough the family. (reason why seokmin wants to find the will) yet gyud said he is studying Bus. AD because his grandpa told him so.

I WILL CONTINUE THIS LATER WHEN I WKE UP IM SLEEPY NOW AHH. BUT LET US JUST ALL PRAY THAT SOONS AND VERN IS... SO GWAPO NIGHT FELLA!

~when the tense risen due to Junki's death (the part they re talking about the 1st son) Vernon came in after it Woozi came in, no one knows about him and has been called N/A by dino. after introducinghimself as a detective soons introduced himself(For connection? or smthing)

~Soons suggested to look around before the CEO came. where basically why would he suggest it if he wants to find smthng? and Cheol said awhile ago that the CEO may not attend the party.

~ A voice of a man was heard all over the place, Vernon was out and had to run back inside the room. after the man have spoken Vernon realized that the party was not all about the chairman. everyone started questioning why he doesn't know if he was the secretary.

~Jeonghan said aybe the chairman was murdered by Vernon. That makes me wonder why does he knows about it or he just predicted it base to vernons statement. or it a way to mislead everybody.

~ Hoshi Introduced himself that he knows the chairman since then that made Cheol questioned him is that why its first time they met and Cheol didn't saw him before. Hoshi cant answer the question rather made up something misleading.

~Soons asked the personality of seok if he really is the son yet wonwoo defended him maybe because of the alliance and he need to protect seok.

~ Mingyu is finding something.. The will? also jeonghan start suspecting and finding something too that made everyone look for something.

~Dino senses something. like "Why would the CEO invite them all and kill them" "Why they are invited to be killed by someone"

~ Han saw the file Vernon the secretary approved. and Vernon saw it leading to han asking if Vernon had been approved something Vernon answered " Well im the secretary I approved a lot of things"

~Soons knows about the death of han's mother leading han asking him why he knows it he answered he is been looking/ eyeing the chairman to get a lot of info. where means he knows everything (but how does he knows everything if his main source of info died 15 yrs ago?

~ Dino caught Soons and Han (recently knew about his mother's death). and end up discussing it (the death of HAn's mother) with him

~Minghao pointed mingyu being suspicious because he is been looking for something.

~ Chan, Cheol and Han saw the letter. Cheol suggested to close the door but chan refuses maybe because the others will accuse them or for safety purposes of running when something happened (Later on chan ran away together with the PC lol) but when hoshi came in he cloed the door

~ others came in mingyu with a riffle(?) as Cheol reading one of the notes hoshi came in.
~ after reading dino ran.away with the pc on his hand (?)
and got killed after the discussion

!!Notes with dates will be put here too

Notes w/ dates and explanation (the notes stated are not just the one in the computer but i will put other notes and dates too)

+ Feb 27, 2020

The reporter that covered up junki's death came in. He wants more money.

+ 20:58 min Woozi said last Feb 27, 2020 the same day Jeonghan went to the chairmman to ask money for his illed mother. Jeongbin died 6 months later

+ March 27, 2020

They didn't read this one but I assumed this is the note where Woozi read (the one jeonghan came in) but im not sure about this. this note hasn't been read or shown yet(?)

+ July 10, 2020

The Chairman tried to kill Vice-chairman because Cheol threatened him by saying he will kill him because of the management right. (Why woud Cheol will get angry of the thought the CEO wont pass the MR to his family? or is it because when it will be passed ++

to the society Cheol will get nothing. (Im an ABM student when I was SHS but I don't know that much about the rules and policy or law of companies regarding to this matter)

Maybe this was the day the chairman asked the Secretary (Vernon) to hire a hitman to kill Cheol)

+ July 25, 2020

Chan Asked him to promote him as a Chief Prosecutor but he declined because he cant support someone who cant even promoted by his own.

+ July 30, 2020

The Chairman asked the detective to nvistagate who is behind the letters

+ Aug 2, 2020

Hoshi tried to get a new loan but he cant that's tried to come to the chairman for some money

+ Aug 3, 2020

Jeonghan's mother died and he didn't know because the Chairman said to the doctor don't tell him. (Jeonghan knew his mother is at the hospital)++

(Hoshi said she was not treated yet in the note the doctor was involved , did she died because she was not treated but why after 6 months why not early this yr if she is not rcieving any treatment?)

+ Aug 7, 2020

Chan and Cheol was seen by someone(?) together leading woozy giving the info to the chairman He doesn't know where the 2 went but he got a photo of them together talking (?) and sent it to the chairman.

+ Aug 16, 2020

The chairman thought of killing hoshi he even accused him of sending the letters. yet the same day hoshi is trying to get atleast 300 mil won from the chairman.

~ Later on hoshi admitted that he is getting info fro junki himself yet junki died and he cant get anything now (But how does he knows every single story about the family itself? he is a reporter he may got a lot of connection)

~ They tried to find the letter (Why did theyknow theres a letter?) and HAn saw junki's letters at the table and look at it with a questionable look.

~The letter consist of 5 papers with the same content. so it maybe intended to be given to 5 people not just the chairman.

~ Jun said the chairman did surely bad things to a lot of people also to Junki because he knows (well he is the butler he maybe saw something)

~Vernon tried to question Hoshi's thoughts about someone who is pretending to be junki.

~ If chairman knew his son commited suicide why did he gave hoshi money not to publish something but the article was all about junki being murdered by someone (Chairman) he could just say to hoshi he didn't kill his son then. but why did hoshi knows junki has been kiled?

~Seok and juni was abused with candles. (burn their hands or bdy uusing candles?)

~ at 20:08 min before the lights went off there are only 8 people inside the room. Ji, Hosh, Hao, Jun, Gyu, Seok, Han and Scoups. HAn and scoups ran together.

~Hao shouted Vice CM aand the VCM was killed

~When the lights turns on again they are all complete excpt dino and seungcheol being killed.

~They asked han who did they saw with scoups and he said he didn't saw someone. everyone reacted to it even Shua reacted madly (?) about it

~ Jun started to involve him self more with the case

~SEOKWONSHUA fidning the will nsead of the clue about the culprit

~"I look for it quickly" wonwoo said why do they need to find it quickly is it a hint too? whats inside the forged paper all about? is it just about passing++

the management rights to the family? or something more?

~ at 21:23 Joshua mouther to someone. is it seok? what did he said?

~hoshi spent money for what? at 1st Cheol stated he must be killed and he acted surprised about it but when mingyu said he mst be dead he questioned why +

got more surprise of the statement chairman planning of killing him.

~Jun knows mingyu saw his father killed himself but later on said "I thought he was killed too"

~when everyone starting to think of what mingyu saw jihoon brought up gyu's medical record from a doctor.

~ there is this undefined mental illness, the have a family doctor yet they got a medical record from another doctor?

~ Seok talked to hao of finding the will yet later on hao pointed shua for being suspicious for looking something.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: (soonyoung's note)

+ Aug 20, 2020

He knew about Park seokmin, Hong jisoo and Jeon Wonwoo having an alliance (?)

So he questioned why there is such a combination for what. so he basically knew the 3 of them before they met)

Assumption and conspiracy:

-I wont state much of names to be the lead of my accusation hence I will state the possible reason and clues of whyis someone tried to kill them and that someone is the culprit.

- at 1st look or one of the corners of the case will lead you to the tought of the Chairman plotting this to kill everybody pretending to be the victim and one of them is his alliance that he asked to kill each of them.

- the alliance must be very trusted by the chairman

- he may know everyone inside the room and why doe the chairman knows them and inited them to be party. their realationship to the chairman and their history.He must be very loyal to the Park's family which make to the thought of maybe he worked for the company and family++

for so many years and knows everything about them. he got access to everything. also the fact that maybe they where trying to see who is the reliable one

Lets end this one and proceed to the another side ofwho among them is the culprit except the chairman .

- if the culprit is not an alliance with the chairman, he maybe had a knowledge to everything to everyone. HE maybe wants money or something more like a revenge that's why he conducted this party. He knew about junki himself and the cause of its death. he maybe also++

someone who got an anger to the chairman and wants something from the chairman. He planned it well to whom he should invite and why would he kill them at the party. he has his own reason for killing each one of them. and basically got main people he wants to kill++

but invited others because he knew he will f-up if he will not kill all of them and just the main people on his list. he used junki's death to alarm them and make them confused of the chairman being the killer. he sent jihoon(?) an doctor's report about mingyu's mental ++

health and mislead everyone that maybe mingyu is the killer using a letter under juni's name and also the fact that he used that mental illness to make everyone not putting trust to every words mingyu said. because maybe mingyu knows something he really know everything+

yet was being fooled with a mental illness that doesn't exist and started questioning his existence. The culprit knows that when everyone believes to mingyu he will f-uped but then he got a plan to play along with mingyu's mind also everybody by saying maybe the truth is++

really unknown. I mean he stated another statement that makes everyone confused of which is the real truth.

- on other hand maybe the killer really wants something and inorder to get that he needs to kill everybody who is stepping his way to get it (Leading to insecurities)

I will stop stating conspiracy here. but I got couple of people on my mind now. im 75 % sure each on of them is the killer yet I never got any strong evidence hence if I do have a strong evince here I stated it already but my 25% telling me not to drop anyone 1st if I didn't++

get the 90% of how sure I am it was him. the remaining thought on my mind is if I were the Killer what will I do to make myself not obviously obvious?

1. should I collect each one's profile and pretend that im just a small someone who doesn't know them and got a least+++

interaction with the chairman and the family? start a chaos at the party by letting everyone think one of them is a killer and watch the one who is close to the chairman point their fingers to each other?

2. Should I build up their trust? pretend im a loyal to the chairman and everybody. make them think I got a good profile for them not to accuse me of being a killer. agree to what people speak out when they point someone is the killer.(be sipsip)

3. should I build up my name? pretend im a great person. ill get infos about them through my connections. make friends with each one and act like there was a killer but I only wants something more than the killing.

4. or should I pretend to be dead and watch them being in chaos thinking there is still a killer among them and kill them with out them noticing.

5. should I do the victim card? and make people confused of who is the real killer by stating vague and confusing statements.

If you are the killer what will you do? will you make your self not obvious or will you make your self obvious to mke them question if you are really the culprit (making them confused if they are just mistakenly accused you)

IN ORDER TO CATCH THE CULPRIT YOU NEED TO THINK LIKE THE CULPRIT HIMSELF.

I would love to state why everyone got killed and has been chosen to this certain role but im not a Psychology majored student and it might lead to inaccuracy hahaha well my theories aint 100% sure but still atleast tried to uncover the trth.

so im going to stop here and continue next week explaining. If the culprit shown up itself and the one I am thinking is the same person ill explain furthermore why I thought he is the killer hahaha so till next week amigos hahaha

This thread is purely for fun due to I love mystery solving and always got hyped up when ever I got the chance of doing this. This may consist of inaccuracy but this is mere an opinion. if some statements are incline with someone profession let me remind you that the profession++

and kind of statements linked to a certain profession are not the things ive studied hence I only got few knowledge of it because I always love reading books and watching videos abouth those profession. I am once and ABM student and now an Architecture/ Interior deign student++

giving you guarantee to not belived all what I say or believe it for it is merely opinion and statements by my own. I support and respect other opinion and anyone who wants to correct me Again im not professional to this kind of field. I just love this things THANK YOU @pledis_17