1. I wonder if y’all think this clarifies the debate. Perhaps in an obvious way. Perhaps not. Feedback welcome. https://twitter.com/BenWinegard/status/1309955932709883906

2. The debate:

Americans chose Trump (among other reasons) to stand wokism down. Wokism accelerated after Trump was chosen.

Does that imply that choosing Trump to stand wokism down was a bad idea? That we shouldn't support Trump’s orders against CRT b/c it'll worsen things?

3. Proposed clarification:

Divergent moral perceptions of Trump underlie our divergence on these questions. They underlie our divergent visions of how Americans in general have responded and will respond to Trump confronting wokeness.

4. Both groups see Americans responding closer to the way they think they *ought* respond.

@CathyYoung63 & @BenWinegard think ppl find Trump so morally repulsive they have & will become more receptive to wokeness in response to Trump confronting it. https://twitter.com/CathyYoung63/status/1309622941806743552

5. My proposed clarification is: they think this *because they* find Trump so morally repulsive.

(In part: Cathy also cites stats on how ppl view Trump.)

Those of us who back Trump because he confronts wokeness, however, don’t share that judgment. https://twitter.com/derocrates/status/1309638257790070784

6. Our judgments may range from ‘super racist but still necessary’ to ‘crass but rightly oriented’ to ‘god-emperor,’ but the contrast is: we find wokeness more worrying that Trump’s (claimed) moral faults.

7. We hope and predict Americans will respond to Trump and his anti-CRT orders by becoming more opposed (rather than more receptive) to wokeness.

The proposed clarification applied to our side is: we think this *because* that’s the basic shape of our moral judgment.

8. No argument is made nor meant there on the question of how morally repulsive Trump *really* is. It’s really meant as a proposed clarification for what underlies our diverging predictions on Trump's order's effects.
I give my view on the issue here: https://humanevents.com/2020/09/21/wartime-conservatives-against-appeasement/

9. One point of that piece is to reject the inference (see 2. above) from

Wokism rose more rapidly 2016-20 than it would’ve under Hilary.

and

Wokism rose *in reaction to* Trump.

to

Voting Trump in 2016 (& supporting his anti-CRT orders) was (is) a bad idea.

10. If you see wokeness’s rise as the major threat, & if you don’t share Cathy’s & Ben’s view of Trump, the fact that confronting the woke left pissed it off doesn’t imply we shouldn’t have confronted it. It rather confirms the warcon’s view that confronting it ASAP was necessary