Thread by @Dee4Three84, Over 20+ hours trying to fix #NBA2K21 attributes/tendencies/signatures, and I am [...]

Over 20+ hours trying to fix #NBA2K21

attributes/tendencies/signatures, and I am not even 10% done.

@Beluba your rosters attributes/tendencies/signatures are embarrassingly inaccurate, rushed, with NO attention to detail.

@2Kstauff this has been going on for YEARS.

Over 20+ hours trying to fix #NBA2K21 attributes/tendencies/signatures, and I am not even 10% done. @Beluba your rosters attributes/tendencies/signatures are embarrassingly inaccurate, rushed, with NO attention to detail. @2Kstauff this has been going on for YEARS.

@2Kstauff if you and your team are going to represent the players past and present, you should do it with pride and do it the right way. Not throw a bunch of crap against the wall and hope it sticks or noone will notice. This has been going on FOR YEARS.

This isn't just 2K21.

This doesn't just impact the game cosmetically either, this impacts the way the players play on the floor in a major way. Your copy and paste jobs, complete rush jobs, spreadsheet input is incredibly disrespectful to the game and it's history.

This roster is an absolute mess.

@ScottOGallagher not expecting a response. But I hope that when NBA Live comes back that you get a team/person to work on the rosters that actually CARES about accuracy (Historically, and current)

Someone who will put the time/effort into it. Those people exist.

@EASPORTSNBA

Just for proof. Here is my playtime at the moment on Steam.

This only shows online, it doesn't show all the time offline.

@2Kstauff if you are not going to do it right, you shouldn't do it AT ALL. you are lucky to have kept your position for so many years.

I could post a thread containing HUNDREDS of screens of BS from over the years. So no excuses, this is not JUST #NBA2K21

What is unbelievable, a TON of people out there who would be willing to do it right. My only guess is he has the position because he is IN, he knows somebody

If I am coming off harsh, look at the way the game plays by default over the last 4 years, look at the frustration people have with the gameplay. Look at the athletes disrespected/misrepresented, meanwhile they boast SIM, REALISM, SIMNATION, and put game issues on the player

Rushed, no attention to detail or respect, spreadsheet copy/paste, lack of knowledge by the roster team, etc.

@2Kstauff be and do better.

For those who follow me who do not play basketball video games, you need to understand the reach these games have and the impact it has on perception.

2K20 had over 8 MILLION downloads. Everything from the way the players/teams are made, to the commentary impacts perception

Lastly, if @2Kstauff is not responsible for the ratings/tendencies, and it's someone else (You know, like someone who is on Twitter consistently preaching sim, simnation, etc) all of the above statements go for him.

If it's a combo of both of them, both should take note and act.

Want to use and play against @55buckets in all his glory? Well, come on over to #NBA2k21

, where he will not shoot 3s, not throw flashy passes, not do any dribble moves, and has a much higher tendency to block a shot than steal the ball!

@Da_Czar @Beluba who is responsible?

Want to use and play against @55buckets in all his glory? Well, come on over to #NBA2k21 , where he will not shoot 3s, not throw flashy passes, not do any dribble moves, and has a much higher tendency to block a shot than steal the ball! @Da_Czar @Beluba who is responsible?

Was that not enough? Well, he won't be doing any size-ups, and will be mostly idle on the perimeter!

But don't worry, friends. Jason Williams may shoot ZERO threes when you play against him, but Bryant Reeves will make sure to pop some in your grill, as will Karl Malone and Artis Gilmore!

I could do this all day, every single team is a complete nightmare in accuracy. And it dramatically impacts the way they play on the court.

If any 2K developers makes an excuse here, you can bet I will post all of it in all of its glory.

No excuses, at all.

Incredibly common copy/paste or similar tendencies across the board (Almost guarantee everything is in a spreadsheet and thrown into the game)

Joe Caldwell averaged around 0.4 3PA per game btw, but has a 60 tendency

But hey, you get a Nique with a headband, which he never wore

You have a much better chance of Chris Bosh putting you in the iso torture chamber from the perimeter than Tim Hardaway... who just... won't... ever

Are you guys not seeing the problems here? The disrespect, lack of detail, lack of caring. and how it impacts perception/gameplay?

And btw, I am showing you around 1% of the issues... I couldn't possibly show them all. I have not even been showing all the other tendency/attribute/signature shot/signature issues (Some COMPLETE copy/paste jobs, like Blake Griffin onto Billy Cunningham)

Playing against Glen Rice on #NBA2K21

and wondering why he isn't taking 3s?Well, silly... didn't you know that Rice didn't shoot them? It was actually Dan Issel who attempted a staggering amount, a total of 0.1 attempts per game for his career

Yup, Rice with a 0, Issel with a 90

Playing against Glen Rice on #NBA2K21 and wondering why he isn't taking 3s?Well, silly... didn't you know that Rice didn't shoot them? It was actually Dan Issel who attempted a staggering amount, a total of 0.1 attempts per game for his careerYup, Rice with a 0, Issel with a 90

To give you an idea how bad this is.

You would have to spend maybe around 6 hours PER all time team (6x 30) to make it somewhat accurate. That's 180 hours.

That doesn't include the default classic teams or now teams.

How is this allowed to happen release after release?

Did Gerald Wallace fall off the spreadsheet? Apparently he won't attempt to dunk, but he will pass around the same amount as John Stockton. He also seems to be allergic to contesting shots.

But don't worry, David Wesley will sky for those alley-oops. Former dunk champ right?....

For Kirilenko, they were just like "Ah, screw it... 50 on everything. We forget where he is on the spreadsheet, I don't think anybody will notice).

"Did Boozer ever post up?"
"I dont know, man... I never saw him play"
"Give him a 0"

Meanwhile, Dr. Dunkenstein might as well be renamed to "Dr. Cantdunkenstein", as you have a 95% better chance of David Wesley going up for an alley-oop than Griffith himself.

Lastly (And I don't care if this comes off harsh, they HAVE to hear it). The 2K roster cronies going through this thread jotting down what to fix, this is less than 1% of the issues. And, you won't be able to fix all of them even if you had a thousand hours

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because you don't know hoop and its history. These types of issues have been in MANY recent 2K titles. You can't make a player correctly via a spreadsheet, or formula, or throwing a bunch of shit against the wall. You make a good roster by giving each player

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The proper attention, and actually watching them play/knowing hoop.

This game should NEVER have been released like this. And, no patch will even give it proper quality of life changes because you do not know what you are doing, and do not have the resources.

End of rant.

Tracy McGrady (All Time Magic) is a complete copy and paste of Brandon Roy (09-10 Blazers) for tendencies.

These copy/paste jobs are ALL OVER the #NBA2K21

roster. Literally spreadsheet copy/paste.

This is also why they average like 10 PPG when doing a sim, and play poor against

Tracy McGrady (All Time Magic) is a complete copy and paste of Brandon Roy (09-10 Blazers) for tendencies.These copy/paste jobs are ALL OVER the #NBA2K21 roster. Literally spreadsheet copy/paste.This is also why they average like 10 PPG when doing a sim, and play poor against

100% copy/paste

Do you know how disrespectful this is to the players @Beluba? Why is this allowed to happen?

If I see ANYBODY talk about this game as REALISTIC, or SIM, or SIMNATION, or SKILL BASED, or any of that nonsense. I promise you all of this will get brought up.

This thread is making noise, so I need to make this clear. There is NO EXCUSE, and has nothing to do with this being a tough development cycle. This has been just as bad in prior games, NBA 2K16 was an absolute MESS with tendencies, attributes and signatures.

The players past and present, and consumers all deserve better. Do you have any idea how these issues impact gameplay? I have not even gotten into all the signatures that are inaccurate, the copy/paste jobs for those.

Complete copy/paste LeBron to Rider
Griffin to Cunningham

If I see one article about this issue (My guess, one from Mazique) saying things like "You can expect some similarities" and "Issues are expected with the amount of content", I am calling it out IMMEDIATELY.

These issues are EVERYWHERE. But they promote the content as COMPLETE.

You don't put content into the game unless you can represent it properly, unless you can do it with the amount of attention it deserves

2K gets complimented for it's depth, but nobody ever calls out how poorly so much of it is done. This thread deserves the attention.

No effort, no intentions of making it accurate, these are literally random numbers on a spreadsheet assigned to players. Did you ever want your Hedo to have dunk tendencies similar to Michael Jordan? Well come on over to #NBA2K21

. where accuracy doesn't matter.

No effort, no intentions of making it accurate, these are literally random numbers on a spreadsheet assigned to players. Did you ever want your Hedo to have dunk tendencies similar to Michael Jordan? Well come on over to #NBA2K21 . where accuracy doesn't matter.

The worst part? @NBA2K preys on people by marketing this content, and playing them for fools. Think about it, for YEARS these issues have been here, yet they continue to market new classic/all-time teams, etc. Thinking YOU would not notice, or dive into it.

So insulting @Beluba

Rolando Blackman

6'6" SG who averaged over 20ppg three times with the Mavericks primarily in the mid range and taking it to the basket, will not do EITHER in #NBA2K21

, and will not shoot a single three.

He has a big mans tendencies copy/pasted onto him via a spreadsheet.

Rolando Blackman6'6" SG who averaged over 20ppg three times with the Mavericks primarily in the mid range and taking it to the basket, will not do EITHER in #NBA2K21 , and will not shoot a single three.He has a big mans tendencies copy/pasted onto him via a spreadsheet.

Want to know why so many players look LOST defensively? or make no effort on the ball/to close out, or often just move out of the way?

Because A LOT of

exists (Highlighted below). Also, defensive attributes and other tendencies are all over the place with no rhyme or reason.

Want to know why so many players look LOST defensively? or make no effort on the ball/to close out, or often just move out of the way?Because A LOT of exists (Highlighted below). Also, defensive attributes and other tendencies are all over the place with no rhyme or reason.

Look at all the reviews for this game (IGN, Forbes, etc). NONE OF THEM touch on any of this, and they don't mention the gameplay flaws (Incredibly unrealistic player movement, speed/acceleration breaks, skating, being sucked into other players, faulty shooting mechanics, etc)

That is because it's not about looking under the hood, it's about keeping perks/connections/money, and promoting what they are told to promote. They are NOT real reviews, and the majority of the time the reviewer knows nothing about hoop

These reviews prey on potential consumers

Not ONE mention of the roster issues, not one. This reviewer blocked me 2 years ago after I called him out. This article has almost 80k views, and it does nothing but hide from the actual issues in the game.

Doesn't even touch the actual gameplay issues. https://www.forbes.com/sites/games/2020/09/06/nba-2k21-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-bottom-line-for-current-gen-version/#377dcb7371f7

NBA 2K21 Review: The Good, The Bad, And The Bottom Line For Current-Gen Version

NBA 2K21 on PS4 and Xbox One is out. Here's the good, the bad, and the bottom line on the current-gen version.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/games/2020/09/06/nba-2k21-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-bottom-line-for-current-gen-version/#377dcb7371f7

It is not about realistic basketball, proper representation of the sport, or the players past/present. It's about getting as many people online as possible, and making the game GRIND so you spend more money

It's about your fit and rep, it's about cosmetics and artificial boosts.

Meanwhile, if you have complaints about gameplay (Obvious faulty mechanics, core issues, as well as the way the players move/play on the floor in general), you are told you are not good enough, or to "git good", or "get back in the gym", or classified as a "newcomer"

The entire premise is nauseating, and it preys on kids/teens who spend saving (And sometimes entire paychecks) AFTER getting the game just to upgrade a player.

It also preys on parents, and young adults. Parents don't even know what the kid is fully getting into.

Just so you realize that it is NOT just the classic/all-time teams, the current teams/players are a disaster as well.

Luka Doncic has a ZERO on stepback three tendency... a ZERO. Harden has a 75 on it. Doncic will NOT shoot a stepback three if you play against him as a result.

All-TIme team Doncic is at a 20 on 3PT shot tendency while the other is at 98, because you know.... why update both? Nobody cares about the all-time teams right?

Accuracy and proper representation doesn't matter, it only matters when it is convenient to 2K or it gets called out.

Russell Westbrook 19-20 mid range shooting

10-16ft: .404%
16-22ft: .402%

He is rated a 79 by 2K.... which is a B+ from mid.

LeBron James 19-20 mid range shooting

10-16ft: .337%
16-22ft: .341%

He is rated a 78 by 2K.... which is a B+ from mid.

@Beluba accuracy doesn't matter I see, did politics get in the way here?

LeBron James midrange shooting in real life compared to #NBA2K21

rating

06-07
10-16ft: .361%
16-22ft: .346%
2K rating: 82

12-13
10-16ft: .415%
16-22ft: .447%
2K rating: 87

15-16
10-16ft: .348%
16-22ft: .404%
2K rating: 91

Reminder: Politics/Agendas get in the way of accuracy

LeBron James midrange shooting in real life compared to #NBA2K21 rating06-0710-16ft: .361%16-22ft: .346%2K rating: 8212-1310-16ft: .415%16-22ft: .447%2K rating: 8715-1610-16ft: .348%16-22ft: .404%2K rating: 91Reminder: Politics/Agendas get in the way of accuracy

11-12 Westbrook:
2K mid range rating: 88

97-98 Kobe Bryant:
2K mid range rating: 80

85-86 Michael Jordan
2k mid range rating: 75

#NBA2K21

where accuracy doesn't matter.

11-12 Westbrook:2K mid range rating: 8897-98 Kobe Bryant:2K mid range rating: 8085-86 Michael Jordan2k mid range rating: 75 #NBA2K21 where accuracy doesn't matter.

Bam Adebayo averaged 1.3 BPG and 1.1 SPG in 19-20, his BPG were good enough to be 18th in the NBA.

Great? no... but check out his block shot and on-ball steal/pass interception tendencies.

Good luck with Raef Lafrentz or Shawn Bradley blocking shots, even though in real life they both averaged over 3 BPG at one point. LaPhonso Ellis who averaged over 1 BPG twice? An 18.

But Kenny Anderson who had a career average of 0.1 BPG.. a 70.

It is RANDOM spreadsheet input.

Lets play a game called "Which big man will post up?"

The only correct answer is..... none of them.

Playing against Fat Lever, and he is doing nothing?

Well, if you didn't know, in real life he pummeled teams from mid range and driving to the hoop, he also shot threes. Yet, he is a COMPLETE copy and paste job of another player, so he will do NONE of that. But it gets better...

Fat Lever who averaged 2.2 SPG for his CAREER has an on-ball steal tendency of 28.....

But don't worry, he has a contest shot/block shot of 77....and he averaged 0.3 BPG for his career.

All of this is so frustrating and disrespectful.

It is random... accuracy did not matter AT ALL. They are numbers on a spreadsheet randomly thrown into the game.

Alex English attempted 0.1 threes per game for his career.

Derrick Coleman attempted 1.4 threes per game for his career.

They don't care.

Flashy pass tendencies in #NBA2K21

Kiki Vandeweghe - 99
Marcus Camby - 88
Jason Williams - 0

Note: If I see one article come out stating that this is due to an error, or having to rush the release of the game, I will call it out immediately. This has been happening since 2K16, but it is even worse now.

For several releases Matt Bullard had Charles Smiths portrait, etc

I just went in and looked, and they pushed through a silent update which updated Artis Gilmore shot three tendency to 0, and Jason Williams flashy pass to over 90.

Every single screenshot I posted was from the OFFICIAL 2K roster when I made the tweet.

@2Kstauff

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After my tweet gained traction, I was told they were aware and would act, you are seeing SILENT UPDATES go through.

Artis Gilmore still has a 7 on post up, and an 84 on drive, etc.

DO NOT fall for that.

And just to prove it is a SILENT UPDATE that went through.

Here is Jason Williams MyTeam card that shows him having 0 on flashy pass tendency, and all the other stuff I showed.

Just in case you try something.

@2Kstauff @Beluba @Da_Czar @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Here is Artis Gilmore with three point hot zones and his 40 three point shot tendency

@2Kstauff @Beluba @Da_Czar @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Before they push through a silent update on Carlos Boozer. Here is proof he had a 0 on post up tendencies.

Again, I will say this nicely, do not try and discredit this thread or me. I have A LOT of backup for my screens.

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Tim Hardaway ISO tendencies compared to Chris Bosh proof

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Proof that Gerald Wallace had 0's on his dunk tendencies (Because they will also push through a silent update on this)

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Proof of Paul Pierce having a 10 on driving dunk tendency, 10-11 Rose having a 25, Bob Cousy having a 40, and Lamar Odom having a 100 (Like I showed in my screens)

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Proof of Glen Rice having a 0 on three point shot tendency, and Dan Issel having a 90 (Like I showed in my screenshots)

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K #NBA2K21

More proof on Jason Williams before the silent update

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K #NBA2K21

Proof of Kirilenko being 50 on almost everything (Like I showed in my screens)

Proof of Brandon Roy and Tracy McGrady being a almost a 100% copy/paste job tendency wise (Like I showed in my screens)

Remember, this is BACKUP because they are silently updating the game after seeing this thread.

Proof of LeBron James being a 79 on mid range - 71 +8 (a B+ rating) Despite his mid range shooting in 19-20 being:

10-16ft: .337%
16-22ft: .341%

This is IMPORTANT. Proving it's not about accuracy, and it's not fair to the players past/present, or the consumers.

Also, for Dan Issel.. look at the top right hand corner of the screen

Nickname = K-Love

How much you want to bet the reason @DanIssel44 has a 90 on 3 point shot tendency is because he is a complete copy and paste of @kevinlove?

You think this wouldn't anger players?

#NBA2K21

So yeah, Issel has all of Kevin Loves signatures as well, right down to the handshake.

Copy and paste.

Again, I have all the 2Ks, and what you are seeing in #NBA2K21

is NOT just isolated to that game, it has been going on for years @NBAalumni

Just like in 2K21, Rider is a 100% copy paste job of LeBron James signatures in NBA 2K16. 100%

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K

Again, I have all the 2Ks, and what you are seeing in #NBA2K21 is NOT just isolated to that game, it has been going on for years @NBAalumni Just like in 2K21, Rider is a 100% copy paste job of LeBron James signatures in NBA 2K16. 100% @Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff @NBA2K

Again, you are seeing what 2K has gotten away with for 5+ years. Pierce on the left in 2K16, Pierce on the right in 2K21

You are seeing spreadsheet copy/paste, for YEARS. With no attention to detail, no caring.

NBA 2K16, Q will not dunk on ANY drives, as he has a copy/paste job of another player who could not dunk.

Do you want your Bo Outlaw to shoot threes (He attempted 0.0 per game for his career btw), not be able to dunk, not post up, but drive to the hoop?

If so, NBA 2K16 is the right game for you.

Again, NO article should come out calling this just a 2k21 issue.

@Beluba @Da_Czar

Remember when I showed you David Wesley having an alley-oop tendency of 95 earlier on #NBA2K21

Well, that was in 2K16 as well. This has been going on for YEARS.

2K16 on the left, 2K21 on the right.

@Beluba @Da_Czar @NBAalumni @Ronnie2K @2Kstauff

Remember when I showed you David Wesley having an alley-oop tendency of 95 earlier on #NBA2K21 Well, that was in 2K16 as well. This has been going on for YEARS.2K16 on the left, 2K21 on the right. @Beluba @Da_Czar @NBAalumni @Ronnie2K @2Kstauff

So again, because I have all the games and the ability (and will) to continue to post screenshots, no excuses can be made. Especially not calling this an isolated incident (With NBA 2K21)

So the response should be an apology to the consumers, fans, and players past and present.

Here is the Reddit thread. I have a comment on there under the name Dee4Three, where I also supply backup for my findings

Please continue to spread the information so 2K cannot get away with taking advantage of consumers, and players past/present anymore https://amp.reddit.com/r/NBA2k/comments/j0fy5c/2k_devs_need_to_read_this_thread_asap/?__twitter_impression=true

Reddit - NBA2k - 2K Devs Need To Read This Thread ASAP

r/NBA2k: We are the biggest community for anything and everything related to the NBA 2K series. See our 2K21 Wiki for FAQs, Locker Codes & more. Questions? Suggestions? Post not showing up? Let us...

https://amp.reddit.com/r/NBA2k/comments/j0fy5c/2k_devs_need_to_read_this_thread_asap/?__twitter_impression=true

@NBA2K did a silent update to tendencies after this thread made noise, but I need to keep exposing the issues that were allowed in the release(And have continued for 5+ years)

Before silent update - @dgranger33 0 on 3PT shot tendency, Smits 50

Online back below (and still live)

1st screen is post silent update (They still didn't get it right, shocking)

2nd screen is still up online showing what it was before. Tendencies are STILL screwed up throughout the roster. Again, the people working on them don't know hoop.

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff #NBA2K21

These are still in the game after the "update". Do I have to post all of them in order to get you to TRY and fix them?

@jermaineoneal I guess you didn't really post up, ever. And didn't shimmy, or fade.. or well.. anything.

@NBA2K @Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff #NBA2K21

Again, I am showing less than 1% of the issues. I am not showing you the roll vs pop, shot tendency, ISO vs defender, post/drive, shot three inaccuracies, etc etc

All dramatically impact gameplay.

The Granger "update" (still wrong) shows they are still using a spreadsheet.

You will never have anything close to accurate using spreadsheets, and people who don't actually know the game or its history

The suits @NBA2K, and the people who knew about this and allowed it to happen, should be ashamed and embarrassed.

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff #NBA2K21

I wonder if @jamalmashburn knows that he was just thrown into the game for name/cosmetic reasons @NBA2K ?

Mashburn attempted 3.6 threes per game for his career, yet has a 0 on shot three tendency. He also killed teams in the mid range (10)

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff #NBA2K21

Note: Do you have any idea how bad I want classic players/teams represented in @NBA2K and basketball games in general? However, if they are done wrong, and the players/teams/consumers are disrespected and taken advantage off, it becomes a BIG issue.

@Beluba @Da_Czar @2Kstauff

What is disappointing, and honestly gross, is the devs constantly preaching SIM/SIMNATION, and pushing elitism on consumers when the game DOESN'T support it

Group think mindset and approach, and it is part of the marketing and push to get people online

@Beluba @Da_Czar #NBA2K21

The game which is CLUTTERED with issues, not limited to butincluding

- Broken defense (In transition/on ball/fastbreak), where the CPU just moves out of the way
- Skating
- Speed/Acceleration Breaks
- Constantly being sucked into other players (Canned two man animations)

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- Roster inaccuracies throughout that dramatically impact the way the players play on the floor
- Shooting mechanics that do not make sense, are inconsistent, but the company blames on the user
- Clipping and dribble warping

And so much more.

Give... me...a... break.

And I didn't even mention the artificial boosts. Yet you preach "SKILL GAP" and "GIT GOOD" and "GET IN THE GYM"

Yet the game is dominated by artificial boosts and other gameplay issues that make it the furthest thing from SIM, and destroy the idea or SKILL GAP

@Beluba @Da_Czar

It is all part of the group think marketing strategy

And it WORKS, mainly because you do not have any competitors, and very few people truly calling the issues out. And the mostly negative and rock bottom user reviews on Steam and Metacritic seem to do NOTHING

@Beluba @Da_Czar

The truth is: You know you can bank on kids/teens/young adults wanting a virtual basketball experience.... no matter what it is.

People love hoop, and those who want to play on the virtual hardwood only have one option. THAT is the primary reason you get away with it.

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