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Q. Why is "million mile" battery important?
A. Because batteries don& #39;t last as long as the rest of the car.
So, how long do cars last nowadays?
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$TSLAQ
A. Because batteries don& #39;t last as long as the rest of the car.
So, how long do cars last nowadays?
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$TSLAQ
We& #39;ve all heard/read about ave. age of cars on the road.
Here are some stats. Latest on US is ~12 yrs old.
Note that used cars are often exported from wealthier countries to less wealthier ones. In case of Japan, almost 1/2 are exported, lowering ave. age of cars.
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Here are some stats. Latest on US is ~12 yrs old.
Note that used cars are often exported from wealthier countries to less wealthier ones. In case of Japan, almost 1/2 are exported, lowering ave. age of cars.
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But that& #39;s like median age of population. How about % of old cars?
(I don& #39;t have newer data for US, hence data from 2013. It& #39;s likely ~50% now).
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(I don& #39;t have newer data for US, hence data from 2013. It& #39;s likely ~50% now).
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Why did I highlight Finland of all places in the charts above (no offence to Finns)?
Because they provide more useful data.
Here& #39;s how ave. age & the age at scrappage have changed in recent decades.
You can say that a typical car that is scrapped now are ~2000.
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Because they provide more useful data.
Here& #39;s how ave. age & the age at scrappage have changed in recent decades.
You can say that a typical car that is scrapped now are ~2000.
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I don& #39;t have the same data for US, but I do have data on survival rate (as of 2016).
Yes, ~1/2 of 16~17 yr old cars are still on the road.
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Yes, ~1/2 of 16~17 yr old cars are still on the road.
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All in all, US is pretty similar to Finland.
What all this means is that 1) there are tons of old cars on the road (see below), & 2) we should expect new cars of today to last ~20 yrs if not longer.
>20% of cars/trucks on the road now are >15 yrs old.
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What all this means is that 1) there are tons of old cars on the road (see below), & 2) we should expect new cars of today to last ~20 yrs if not longer.
>20% of cars/trucks on the road now are >15 yrs old.
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You might say "cars on the road are older now, because cars/trucks are so expensive nowadays & fixing them is worth it."
Maybe so. But even cheap ones last a long time. JPN kei trucks/vans cost ~$10k new & are used hard for real work. Many are exported after deregistration.
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Maybe so. But even cheap ones last a long time. JPN kei trucks/vans cost ~$10k new & are used hard for real work. Many are exported after deregistration.
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What& #39;s great about ICE cars is that you can keep them going w/ relatively cheap fixes. Most of us won& #39;t spend $5~10k on a 10 yr old car. That& #39;s what you have to do to w/ many BEVs now.
Or...
8/x https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-battery/tesla-owner-lawsuit-claims-software-update-fraudulently-cut-battery-capacity-idUSKCN1UY2TW">https://www.reuters.com/article/u...
Or...
8/x https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-battery/tesla-owner-lawsuit-claims-software-update-fraudulently-cut-battery-capacity-idUSKCN1UY2TW">https://www.reuters.com/article/u...
Remember that there are no old Tesla. Vast majority are just a couple of yrs old.
Yet, we& #39;ve seen tricks like above & many reports of battery packs replaced under warranty (or "goodwill").
TBF, that& #39;s really not just Tesla. It& #39;s just the way it currently is.
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Yet, we& #39;ve seen tricks like above & many reports of battery packs replaced under warranty (or "goodwill").
TBF, that& #39;s really not just Tesla. It& #39;s just the way it currently is.
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Yes, batteries have lasted longer than expected in some cases, as briefly mentioned in this nice article by @russ1mitchell. But not always, as we saw above.
10/x https://twitter.com/russ1mitchell/status/1308156615388925952">https://twitter.com/russ1mitc...
10/x https://twitter.com/russ1mitchell/status/1308156615388925952">https://twitter.com/russ1mitc...
Roughly speaking, batteries have to last 2~3x longer or cost 1/3 relative to today. Otherwise, unwashed masses will be even more mobility challenged. Long way to go.
Whatever the cost-saving might be, many just can& #39;t afford $10k cars (w/ a new batt. pack).
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Whatever the cost-saving might be, many just can& #39;t afford $10k cars (w/ a new batt. pack).
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Remember what happened to used car prices after GFC/cash-for-clunkers? (or now). I wonder what& #39;ll happen in Europe (or developing countries that import used cars from Europe). Will ppl just keep 30~40 yr old cars alive?
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BTW, forget battery swap or "battery-as-asset". It& #39;s just an admission that batteries are still too expensive (or just a fraud).
Do you remember those phones w/ replaceable batteries? How much do those batteries worth now? Model S pack in Model Y?
13/x https://dailykanban.com/2015/06/23/tesla-battery-swap-carbs-bridge-to-nowhere/">https://dailykanban.com/2015/06/2...
Do you remember those phones w/ replaceable batteries? How much do those batteries worth now? Model S pack in Model Y?
13/x https://dailykanban.com/2015/06/23/tesla-battery-swap-carbs-bridge-to-nowhere/">https://dailykanban.com/2015/06/2...
Batteries will get better & cheaper. But those who have been paying attention know "battery breakthrough" almost never amount to anything.
Talk is cheap. Just show us the goods, as Musk himself said (from @russ1mitchell& #39; article above.
/fin.
Talk is cheap. Just show us the goods, as Musk himself said (from @russ1mitchell& #39; article above.
/fin.
p.s.
Data sources. Many thanks to many who helped me out.
US: https://tedb.ornl.gov/data/
Europe:">https://tedb.ornl.gov/data/&quo... https://www.acea.be/statistics/article/Report-Vehicles-in-use
Finland:">https://www.acea.be/statistic... http://www.aut.fi/en/frontpage_vanha/statistics
Japan:">https://www.aut.fi/en/frontp... https://www.keikenkyo.or.jp/ ">https://www.keikenkyo.or.jp/">... https://www.airia.or.jp/publish/statistics/trend.html">https://www.airia.or.jp/publish/s...
Data sources. Many thanks to many who helped me out.
US: https://tedb.ornl.gov/data/
Europe:">https://tedb.ornl.gov/data/&quo... https://www.acea.be/statistics/article/Report-Vehicles-in-use
Finland:">https://www.acea.be/statistic... http://www.aut.fi/en/frontpage_vanha/statistics
Japan:">https://www.aut.fi/en/frontp... https://www.keikenkyo.or.jp/ ">https://www.keikenkyo.or.jp/">... https://www.airia.or.jp/publish/statistics/trend.html">https://www.airia.or.jp/publish/s...
