warhammer 40k fans like to theorycraft about doomguy being in the 40k universe but none of them are prepared to talk about the distinct possibility of doomguy seeing the whole "empire of mankind" thing and deciding to put a stop to it

this would involve 40k fans admitting that a fascist empire is bad I guess

all I'm saying is that if doomguy had the opportunity to make the emperor's big gold life support toilet explode, he'd take it and use the explosion to launch himself on to the moon.

I play these games I know what the doom guy is about

"Doomguy nearly killed his CO in the marines for ordering him to kill civilians" is Doom's most fun lore tidbit. You can take that fact and run with it.

"Doomguy got kicked out of the United States Military for refusing to be evil" is canon. It's fact.

the virgin Halo's heroic depiction of military strength vs. the chad Doom's rejection of militarism and corporate greed. ok i admit i'm just making mischief. i'm so fucking sorry master chief i love you and your games even though they're transparent military propaganda

something something halo's adamant refusal to outright condemn dr. halsey's "kidnap and train child supersoldiers to slaughter separatist space colonists" shindig. play the halo music and have her say "but i was right tho, john is so sick"

all the people in the military trial throw up their hands and yell "FUCK! SHE'S RIGHT! I GUESS WAR CRIMES ARE GOOD!" and the arbiter says "hmm.. were it so easy. and so, you must be silenced. sir. finishing this fight." (soft piano goes bum ba-dum.... dum dum...)

gamers what if the doom guy and master chief fought i think doom guy would hear the covenant call chief a demon and try to fight him but then they make friends and fight the bad guys!!! yeah!!! so cool! i love the doom guy and the master chief!!!!

seriously though it is kinda hilarious how the Halo games themselves outright refuse to portray Dr. Halsey and her fucked up child soldiers as anything other than a necessary and completely forgivable evil. hardly even an evil. it was fate. destiny. THE COIN, JOHN. THE COIN.

then again this is the same series that gave the Arbiter a human death toll in the billions and then everyone was like "haha glad to have you on our side, arbiter! you're so cool! i love your keith david voice you sexy lizard man!"

"they get more in to it in the novels" yeah but Halo is primarily a series of first person shooters. addressing the complexities of the war crimes in the books does not smooth over the LOVE HALO? LIVE IT 4 REAL... JOIN DA ARMY shit that happened when those games came out

when people say "you can critically enjoy messy problematic media as long as you keep a proper perspective in mind" i'm pretty sure they're talking about halo.

it was a different time. george bush was president. larry the cable guy was a national icon. a guy became a youtube sensation by waving a master chief toy in front of a camera and having it say slurs in microsoft sam's voice. this guy got an official reference in halo 3.