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Jordan vs. Kobe: Regular Season stats
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MJ and Kobe were similar players with Kobe consciously modeling himself on MJ's game.
Most MJ fans argue that he's the GOAT & Kobe isn't close.
Most Kobe fans argue (correctly):
Kobe played in a lower-pace era
Kobe was forced to play second fiddle to Shaq for his first 4 yrs.
Most MJ fans argue that he's the GOAT & Kobe isn't close.
Most Kobe fans argue (correctly):
Kobe played in a lower-pace era
Kobe was forced to play second fiddle to Shaq for his first 4 yrs.
This thread will examine MJ & Kobe's RS careers.
To make it fair, I'll use:
Era-adjusted stats per 36.
Era-adjusted advanced stats, which are per MP or per possession.
I'll compare all stats to the NBA league average.
I'll ignore partial seasons (1986, 1995, 2014).
To make it fair, I'll use:
Era-adjusted stats per 36.
Era-adjusted advanced stats, which are per MP or per possession.
I'll compare all stats to the NBA league average.
I'll ignore partial seasons (1986, 1995, 2014).
MJ vs. Kobe: Scoring
Scoring context:
MJ played in a high-scoring era for first 2/3rds of his career:
108.0 average, 1985-93
97.2 average for Kobe's career, 1997-2016
Even after era-adjusting, MJ>Kobe
First 4 years: MJ>>>Kobe
Closer after, but MJ>Kobe (except for Kobe's 2006).
Scoring context:
MJ played in a high-scoring era for first 2/3rds of his career:
108.0 average, 1985-93
97.2 average for Kobe's career, 1997-2016
Even after era-adjusting, MJ>Kobe
First 4 years: MJ>>>Kobe
Closer after, but MJ>Kobe (except for Kobe's 2006).
Jordan vs. Kobe: Shooting efficiency
MJ was more efficient shooter than Kobe, but not by that much:
Career TS+:
106 MJ
103 Kobe
MJ had 4 very high TS+ years 1988-91.
Otherwise, pretty close.
MJ was more efficient shooter than Kobe, but not by that much:
Career TS+:
106 MJ
103 Kobe
MJ had 4 very high TS+ years 1988-91.
Otherwise, pretty close.
Jordan vs. Kobe: AST & REB
Context: NBA AST/G:
23.6 in Kobe's career
24.9 in MJ's entire career
AST/36 era-adjusted:
MJ had one high yr, when he played PG part-time
MJ's had fairly low AST/36 in 3 of last 4 yrs
Overall close, Kobe>MJ
REB/36 era-adjusted:
Close, but MJ>Kobe
Context: NBA AST/G:
23.6 in Kobe's career
24.9 in MJ's entire career
AST/36 era-adjusted:
MJ had one high yr, when he played PG part-time
MJ's had fairly low AST/36 in 3 of last 4 yrs
Overall close, Kobe>MJ
REB/36 era-adjusted:
Close, but MJ>Kobe
Jordan vs. Kobe: TOV
TOV ratio: (TSA+2.5 AST)/TOV
Higher is better.
MJ>Kobe
MJ one of best ever at low TOV for a high-usage player.
Last 3 yrs w/ Bulls were phenomenal.
Kobe better than average
TOV seems obscure, but it (along w/ TS+) is important for advanced-stat efficiency
TOV ratio: (TSA+2.5 AST)/TOV
Higher is better.
MJ>Kobe
MJ one of best ever at low TOV for a high-usage player.
Last 3 yrs w/ Bulls were phenomenal.
Kobe better than average
TOV seems obscure, but it (along w/ TS+) is important for advanced-stat efficiency
Jordan vs. Kobe: Advanced stats in RS:
Adjusted trad stats close.
But advanced stats: clearly MJ>Kobe.
Difference is partly efficiency stats, TS+, TOV, so:
OBPM:
7.2 MJ
4.6 KB
OWS/48:
.174 MJ
.120 KB
Plus, defense stats: MJ>>Kobe
DBPM
2.0 MJ
-0.1 KB
DWS/48
.075 MJ
.050 KB
Adjusted trad stats close.
But advanced stats: clearly MJ>Kobe.
Difference is partly efficiency stats, TS+, TOV, so:
OBPM:
7.2 MJ
4.6 KB
OWS/48:
.174 MJ
.120 KB
Plus, defense stats: MJ>>Kobe
DBPM
2.0 MJ
-0.1 KB
DWS/48
.075 MJ
.050 KB
Jordan vs. Kobe in Regular Season: Summary
All adjusted for era/pace:
P/36:
28.7 MJ
26.8 KB
TS+
106 MJ
103 KB
A/36:
4.6 MJ
4.9 KB
R/36:
6.0 MJ
5.4 KB
TOV Rt
14.9 MJ
12.2 KB
DWS, DBPM:
MJ>KB
WS/48, BPM, PER:
MJ>KB
All adjusted for era/pace:
P/36:
28.7 MJ
26.8 KB
TS+
106 MJ
103 KB
A/36:
4.6 MJ
4.9 KB
R/36:
6.0 MJ
5.4 KB
TOV Rt
14.9 MJ
12.2 KB
DWS, DBPM:
MJ>KB
WS/48, BPM, PER:
MJ>KB
