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Jordan vs. Kobe: Regular Season stats
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MJ and Kobe were similar players with Kobe consciously modeling himself on MJ& #39;s game.
Most MJ fans argue that he& #39;s the GOAT & Kobe isn& #39;t close.
Most Kobe fans argue (correctly):
Kobe played in a lower-pace era
Kobe was forced to play second fiddle to Shaq for his first 4 yrs.
Most MJ fans argue that he& #39;s the GOAT & Kobe isn& #39;t close.
Most Kobe fans argue (correctly):
Kobe played in a lower-pace era
Kobe was forced to play second fiddle to Shaq for his first 4 yrs.
This thread will examine MJ & Kobe& #39;s RS careers.
To make it fair, I& #39;ll use:
Era-adjusted stats per 36.
Era-adjusted advanced stats, which are per MP or per possession.
I& #39;ll compare all stats to the NBA league average.
I& #39;ll ignore partial seasons (1986, 1995, 2014).
To make it fair, I& #39;ll use:
Era-adjusted stats per 36.
Era-adjusted advanced stats, which are per MP or per possession.
I& #39;ll compare all stats to the NBA league average.
I& #39;ll ignore partial seasons (1986, 1995, 2014).
MJ vs. Kobe: Scoring
Scoring context:
MJ played in a high-scoring era for first 2/3rds of his career:
108.0 average, 1985-93
97.2 average for Kobe& #39;s career, 1997-2016
Even after era-adjusting, MJ>Kobe
First 4 years: MJ>>>Kobe
Closer after, but MJ>Kobe (except for Kobe& #39;s 2006).
Scoring context:
MJ played in a high-scoring era for first 2/3rds of his career:
108.0 average, 1985-93
97.2 average for Kobe& #39;s career, 1997-2016
Even after era-adjusting, MJ>Kobe
First 4 years: MJ>>>Kobe
Closer after, but MJ>Kobe (except for Kobe& #39;s 2006).
Jordan vs. Kobe: Shooting efficiency
MJ was more efficient shooter than Kobe, but not by that much:
Career TS+:
106 MJ
103 Kobe
MJ had 4 very high TS+ years 1988-91.
Otherwise, pretty close.
MJ was more efficient shooter than Kobe, but not by that much:
Career TS+:
106 MJ
103 Kobe
MJ had 4 very high TS+ years 1988-91.
Otherwise, pretty close.
Jordan vs. Kobe: AST & REB
Context: NBA AST/G:
23.6 in Kobe& #39;s career
24.9 in MJ& #39;s entire career
AST/36 era-adjusted:
MJ had one high yr, when he played PG part-time
MJ& #39;s had fairly low AST/36 in 3 of last 4 yrs
Overall close, Kobe>MJ
REB/36 era-adjusted:
Close, but MJ>Kobe
Context: NBA AST/G:
23.6 in Kobe& #39;s career
24.9 in MJ& #39;s entire career
AST/36 era-adjusted:
MJ had one high yr, when he played PG part-time
MJ& #39;s had fairly low AST/36 in 3 of last 4 yrs
Overall close, Kobe>MJ
REB/36 era-adjusted:
Close, but MJ>Kobe
Jordan vs. Kobe: TOV
TOV ratio: (TSA+2.5 AST)/TOV
Higher is better.
MJ>Kobe
MJ one of best ever at low TOV for a high-usage player.
Last 3 yrs w/ Bulls were phenomenal.
Kobe better than average
TOV seems obscure, but it (along w/ TS+) is important for advanced-stat efficiency
TOV ratio: (TSA+2.5 AST)/TOV
Higher is better.
MJ>Kobe
MJ one of best ever at low TOV for a high-usage player.
Last 3 yrs w/ Bulls were phenomenal.
Kobe better than average
TOV seems obscure, but it (along w/ TS+) is important for advanced-stat efficiency
Jordan vs. Kobe: Advanced stats in RS:
Adjusted trad stats close.
But advanced stats: clearly MJ>Kobe.
Difference is partly efficiency stats, TS+, TOV, so:
OBPM:
7.2 MJ
4.6 KB
OWS/48:
.174 MJ
.120 KB
Plus, defense stats: MJ>>Kobe
DBPM
2.0 MJ
-0.1 KB
DWS/48
.075 MJ
.050 KB
Adjusted trad stats close.
But advanced stats: clearly MJ>Kobe.
Difference is partly efficiency stats, TS+, TOV, so:
OBPM:
7.2 MJ
4.6 KB
OWS/48:
.174 MJ
.120 KB
Plus, defense stats: MJ>>Kobe
DBPM
2.0 MJ
-0.1 KB
DWS/48
.075 MJ
.050 KB
Jordan vs. Kobe in Regular Season: Summary
All adjusted for era/pace:
P/36:
28.7 MJ
26.8 KB
TS+
106 MJ
103 KB
A/36:
4.6 MJ
4.9 KB
R/36:
6.0 MJ
5.4 KB
TOV Rt
14.9 MJ
12.2 KB
DWS, DBPM:
MJ>KB
WS/48, BPM, PER:
MJ>KB
All adjusted for era/pace:
P/36:
28.7 MJ
26.8 KB
TS+
106 MJ
103 KB
A/36:
4.6 MJ
4.9 KB
R/36:
6.0 MJ
5.4 KB
TOV Rt
14.9 MJ
12.2 KB
DWS, DBPM:
MJ>KB
WS/48, BPM, PER:
MJ>KB
