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here is a fact-based rebuttal, and a debunking of @ru1hIess ‘s thread.
along with all of the times ethan and grayson dolan have been problematic.
A MUCH NEEDED THREAD.
along with all of the times ethan and grayson dolan have been problematic.
A MUCH NEEDED THREAD.
important disclaimers:
1. i understand that in some of these points, the twins have apologized. in other instances, what they have done is problematic in nature.
2. i am simply debunking, but NOT excusing emma’s actions. i am proving that the dolan twins are not as perfect +
1. i understand that in some of these points, the twins have apologized. in other instances, what they have done is problematic in nature.
2. i am simply debunking, but NOT excusing emma’s actions. i am proving that the dolan twins are not as perfect +
+ as dolan twin stans see them to be. 3. i am not an emma stan, therefore this thread is completely unbiased. but this IS a rebuttal to rose’s thread to fact check, and bring to light the truth about emma’s past and the twins’ past.
4. the twins are not perfect human beings and neither is emma. they have made mistakes but the twins stans refuse to acknowledge said mistakes therefore this thread is being made.
thread starts now
thread starts now
point one - “emma did blackface, and did not address it”
verdict: false. emma did not do blackface and addressed it by tweeting this statement. no, emma did not know it would be so much darker because she grabbed the shade on accident. +
verdict: false. emma did not do blackface and addressed it by tweeting this statement. no, emma did not know it would be so much darker because she grabbed the shade on accident. +
+ the video rose attached is edited. the left picture is from the original video. the right picture is the edited video. this thread also explains further that emma did not blackface if you are not educated on the topic. https://twitter.com/icychambie/status/1301550001320067073?s=21
tw // transphobia
next point: “emma chamberlain is transphobic and her apology was fake. her fans ignored it.”
verdict: false. let’s dissect this tweet. yes emma did use caitlyn’s deadname in her tweet. that is very serious and unacceptable. +
next point: “emma chamberlain is transphobic and her apology was fake. her fans ignored it.”
verdict: false. let’s dissect this tweet. yes emma did use caitlyn’s deadname in her tweet. that is very serious and unacceptable. +
emma’s apology could have and definitely should have been worded better and i, along with emma mutuals of mine agree too. her fans did NOT ignore it but called her out for it. majority of the emma fandom were NOT defending her age for it.
tw // f slur , homophobia
let us display some dolan stans defending ethan and grayson’s age for saying the f slur though.
let us display some dolan stans defending ethan and grayson’s age for saying the f slur though.
let’s get back to emma’s apology being “fake”. here’s a clip from her podcast about how shes grateful for being held accountable on things she has said that have been insensitive. humans make mistakes and emma exhibited learning from them by talking about the lesson taken away.
emma isn’t transphobic because of this ig live in which she showed how she won’t tolerate hate against the lgbt community by saying, “and if you don’t believe that, unfollow me, because i don’t want you around.” in regards to her believing we’re the same no matter your sexuality.
tw // homophobia
to continue, let’s start unpacking the dolan twins, straight cisgender men, saying the f slur. first, grayson tweeted this a few years ago using the f slur in his tweet. ethically, if a slur doesn’t apply to you, you shouldn’t say it. no matter the circumstance.
to continue, let’s start unpacking the dolan twins, straight cisgender men, saying the f slur. first, grayson tweeted this a few years ago using the f slur in his tweet. ethically, if a slur doesn’t apply to you, you shouldn’t say it. no matter the circumstance.
tw // homophobia , f slur
grayson didn’t apologize for his tweet. the twins also said the f slur in this storytime video. +
grayson didn’t apologize for his tweet. the twins also said the f slur in this storytime video. +
+ morally speaking, the accuracy of a story won’t change if you say “_ slur” instead of the actual slur. you only offend more people by repeating it.
why am i bringing this up when they’ve already apologized?
why am i bringing this up when they’ve already apologized?
it took 2:07 minutes for them to say the words “i’m sorry”. because they spent that time defending themselves instead of apologizing to the people offended head on. ethan said, “i personally was offended by [f slur].” he’s cishet, he can’t be offended.
next point: “emma wasnt utilizing her platform”
verdict: false.
before i even begin dissecting this one. i’m a black person and this tweet? using the george floyd murder to aid in cancelling emma just cause she was slower to spread awareness disgusts me. rethink that. +
verdict: false.
before i even begin dissecting this one. i’m a black person and this tweet? using the george floyd murder to aid in cancelling emma just cause she was slower to spread awareness disgusts me. rethink that. +
+ emma did express sadness and raised awareness for george floyd by using her platform. the dolan fandom also pleaded that the twins spread awareness too. emma wasn’t the only influencer who didn’t post asap but countless others, including the twins. isn’t the point that she did?
but if rose is gonna bring up emma’s speed on raising awareness on certain issues. here is ethan dolan skateboarding at the time where freemen’s was trending on twitter, and many of his followers were tweeting about it. where was ethan? okay.
next point: emma pulling eyes back
verdict: she addressed it. the second half of this tweet is unnecessary because
1. why are you blaming emma for white people forgiving her? yes they’re not supposed to. did she ask white people to accept her apology? no.
2. annoyed = opinion.
verdict: she addressed it. the second half of this tweet is unnecessary because
1. why are you blaming emma for white people forgiving her? yes they’re not supposed to. did she ask white people to accept her apology? no.
2. annoyed = opinion.
next point: emma is a manipulator.
verdict: false.
verdict: false.
tw // dieting , eating disorders
let’s revisit when the twins said on their podcast “sobriety is the same as dieting people just want u to not be sober and not be on a diet bc they kinda feel like shit that they’re not” this was VERY insensitive towards people struggling w/ EDs
let’s revisit when the twins said on their podcast “sobriety is the same as dieting people just want u to not be sober and not be on a diet bc they kinda feel like shit that they’re not” this was VERY insensitive towards people struggling w/ EDs
tw // dieting , eating disorders
many people, dolan stans and not, felt triggered by this and called the twins out. grayson then tweeted his ed story. countless people were apologetic, as was i. but many people say that the first paragraph was manipulative.
many people, dolan stans and not, felt triggered by this and called the twins out. grayson then tweeted his ed story. countless people were apologetic, as was i. but many people say that the first paragraph was manipulative.
tw // eating disorders , dieting
grayson then went on their podcast to confirm that he never wanted to share his ED story. with all do respect, no one asked him to. he manipulated many fans into making them feel bad for calling him out on the initial thing he said on the pod.
grayson then went on their podcast to confirm that he never wanted to share his ED story. with all do respect, no one asked him to. he manipulated many fans into making them feel bad for calling him out on the initial thing he said on the pod.
tw // eating disorders , dieting
for example:
again no one asked him to tell his story, they asked him for an apology about the insensitive dieting remark. so when fans say things like “we’re sorry for making you tell your story” it’s wrong. super guilt trippy...
for example:
again no one asked him to tell his story, they asked him for an apology about the insensitive dieting remark. so when fans say things like “we’re sorry for making you tell your story” it’s wrong. super guilt trippy...
next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars.
verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?
![next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhBlzD8XgAAsa8L.jpg "next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?")
![next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhBlzD3WsAApX7N.jpg "next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?")
![next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhBlzEHXkAIIw_I.jpg "next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?")
![next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhBlzEXXYAIvbek.jpg "next point: emma’s scrunchies were forty dollars. verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?")
verdict: false. her individual scrunchies were $6.50 [via allure magazine]. and yes the candles are much more expensive. here are some outraged fans so maybe the twins should take that into consideration? abt their overcharge?
some more questionable and problematic things the twins have done:
tw // addiction , alcohol
grayson shaming people for not being sober when there’s people who struggle with alcohol addictions and it’s hard to be sober. also not everyone is going to opt for not drinking? he should let people live their lives rather than being judgmental.
grayson shaming people for not being sober when there’s people who struggle with alcohol addictions and it’s hard to be sober. also not everyone is going to opt for not drinking? he should let people live their lives rather than being judgmental.
people always enjoy saying that “emma sucks at apologizing”. grayson FORGAVE people instead of apologizing for the misunderstanding. and he said “sorry, that was the sarcastic mood of the video” instead of saying sorry for making fun of overexhausted k idols fainting on stage.
the twins claim not to tolerate racism against minorities but associate with kristina who culturally appropriated south asian and hispanic fashion for photoshoots. contradictory of the twins’ beliefs.
clickbait. the mention of sister squad in the thumbnail but not actually speaking on it was very misleading.
what was the point of this thread? your stan isn’t perfect. if you want to berate emma over and over, at least acknowledge the twins’ faults instead of pretending like the twins are angels. the end :).
