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So today I finally picked up Paper Mario: The Origami King, and I& #39;ve finally managed to expose myself to the Paper Mario community for the first time, and I& #39;ve got some things to say about it.
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Let me just start off by saying some things: First, I have never played the original Paper Mario, TTYD, or CS. I HAVE however played SPM, SS, and have started TOK.
Now before anyone tries to tell me to play the rest of the series, know that I plan to eventually.
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Now before anyone tries to tell me to play the rest of the series, know that I plan to eventually.
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One of the first posts I saw from Paper Mario twitter was a thread all about "if other Nintendo games were defended like TOK" and it is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
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First of all, this deranged lunatic has for some reason decided that people like to defend games that, to my knowledge, close to no one likes.
This is especially strange considering a lot of people actually do enjoy TOK, saying it& #39;s "the best of the modern trilogy"
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This is especially strange considering a lot of people actually do enjoy TOK, saying it& #39;s "the best of the modern trilogy"
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Secondly, this can be very easily flipped on it& #39;s head, putting on full display how delusional it is. Imagine if other Nintendo games were HATED on like TOK.
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Imagine people saying that BOTW is bad because it& #39;s not as linear as Skyward Sword, or Mario Odyssey is bad because it& #39;s not as stilted and awkward as Mario Sunshine, or how about SSBU is bad because it& #39;s too fast compared to SSBB or SSB4
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My point is that when this argument is flipped, their entire point becomes moot because you can pull basically anything out of your ass in order to make an "argument", at which point it& #39;s not even an argument anymore, it& #39;s just mindless drivel.
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Now let& #39;s talk about TTYD. I understand that TTYD is a masterpiece, and although I haven& #39;t played it myself, I can understand why people enjoy it. So please believe me when I say that this thread does not come from a place of hate for TTYD as I& #39;m sure you will assume.
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TTYD suffers from the same problem that OOT used to(and that ALTTP does now) where it is defended to such a degree that the idea that it can even be slightly flawed might as well be considered a cardinal sin.
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Now, am I saying it& #39;s wrong to like/defend a game? No, of course not! But what I am saying is that you people need to admit to TTYD& #39;s flaws, and stop trying so hard to ruin the fun for everyone else.
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One of the most common arguments I have seen is that you should demand better games if you know it& #39;s possible, and I do agree with that.
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Asking for better games is the reason we got BOTW, SMO, LM3, and SSBU, but that alone is not a reason to not only put down fans of "lesser" entries of a series, but to also put down fans of Nintendo as a whole.
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Let me tell you a story. I don& #39;t like Twilight Princess. It& #39;s boring, tries to hard to be dark, and is just generally a lesser entry in the Zelda series IMO. But despite my dislike for this game, I would NEVER put someone down for liking it.
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Even though it& #39;s hard for me to find enjoyment in the game, I don& #39;t care if others like it, and by extention, I won& #39;t put down Nintendo/Nintendo fans as a whole just because they still haven& #39;t topped Majora& #39;s Mask(my favorite game) yet.
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I understand people who want better games, and to a degree, I& #39;m on your side, but what I don& #39;t understand are the older fans. You people can& #39;t seem to comprehend the fact that someone likes something you don& #39;t, and it& #39;s an incredibly toxic point of view.
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You can hate the modern trilogy all you want, but please, PLEASE don& #39;t ruin it for everyone else. When you scream at people to play TTYD, you& #39;re not making them want to go and play it. Instead, you& #39;re making them think that the Paper Mario community is a horrible place-
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- you can& #39;t enjoy anything other than TTYD. It& #39;s why in recent years TTYD hate has begun to spike, it& #39;s not because of the "stupid new fans" like you all think, it& #39;s because you are trying your absolute hardest to alienate anyone with a different opinion.
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All of you say shit like "the Gamecube was the superior era" and "Nintendo just doesn& #39;t like quality" despite the fact that the past 3 years of the Switch& #39;s existence have been a sort of golden age for the company.
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Do you honestly think that Nintendo would be the richest company in Japan if they were just shoveling out crap? No! Do you think TOK would be the best selling Paper Mario game if it was absolutely abhorrent? No!
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And it all comes back to the same old argument. The argument that& #39;s been used ever since other consoles hit the scene.
Nintendrones.
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Nintendrones.
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While I& #39;ve never seen the word itself used, these so called "fans" might as well be using it. I have never seen a more perfect description of Nintendrones than the image of the Nintendo community that the Paper Mario community has painted for us.
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Again, I& #39;m not saying it& #39;s wrong to demand quality, or wrong to dislike the newer games, but stop trying so hard to ruin it for everyone! Do you wanna know the reason why I haven& #39;t played TTYD yet? It& #39;s because of people like you.
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All these people whining and crying about the new trilogy, while simultaneously praising a trilogy featuring a game that was hated on release. Or did we magically forget about SPM?
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Do I need to remind you all that SPM was just as disliked as TOK? Because it was. Some people today still consider it the downfall of Paper Mario, despite the fact that these so called "old fans" are saying that it, and TTYD are the height of quality.
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