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Playoff Comparisons:
Elgin Baylor
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
(Does not include injured POs.)
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Elgin Baylor
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
(Does not include injured POs.)
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Oscar vs. West in PLAYOFFS
West slightly > Oscar
WS/48:
JW: 3 of top 4, 6 of 10, 12 of 16
Only one PO below .184 (1972, his only ring. Lol!)
Median, median rank:
JW .203, 10.0
OR .192, 10.5
PER:
JW: 4 of top 5
Only one PO below 21.1 (1972!)
Medians:
JW 23.1, 10.0
OR 22.0, 13.0
West slightly > Oscar
WS/48:
JW: 3 of top 4, 6 of 10, 12 of 16
Only one PO below .184 (1972, his only ring. Lol!)
Median, median rank:
JW .203, 10.0
OR .192, 10.5
PER:
JW: 4 of top 5
Only one PO below 21.1 (1972!)
Medians:
JW 23.1, 10.0
OR 22.0, 13.0
Oscar vs. West: TEAMMATES in POs
West's mates > Oscar's
Oscar's mates before he joined Kareem (1971-74) were terrible in POs.
West's best mates were after Wilt joined Lakers (1969-73).
WS/48:
Oscar's mates: Top 3
West's: 6 of 9
Median, median rank
JW .091, 9.0
OR .072, 13.5
West's mates > Oscar's
Oscar's mates before he joined Kareem (1971-74) were terrible in POs.
West's best mates were after Wilt joined Lakers (1969-73).
WS/48:
Oscar's mates: Top 3
West's: 6 of 9
Median, median rank
JW .091, 9.0
OR .072, 13.5
West vs. Baylor in POs
West clearly > Baylor, especially after Baylor's 1963 knee injury.
WS/48:
JW: 10 of top 12
EB: 9 of LOWEST 10
Median, median rank:
JW .203, 8.0
EB .107(!), 16.0
PER:
JW: 10 of top 15
EB: 4 of top 6
Median, median rank:
JW 23.1, 10.0
EB: 21.0, 16.0
West clearly > Baylor, especially after Baylor's 1963 knee injury.
WS/48:
JW: 10 of top 12
EB: 9 of LOWEST 10
Median, median rank:
JW .203, 8.0
EB .107(!), 16.0
PER:
JW: 10 of top 15
EB: 4 of top 6
Median, median rank:
JW 23.1, 10.0
EB: 21.0, 16.0
West vs. Baylor in POs
West & Baylor played 12 RS together.
But they only played 8 POs together bc Baylor started earlier and bc of injuries.
Baylor led West once in WS/48 (1961) & 3 times in PER (1961-63). Not the same after 1963 injury.
JW led:
7 of 8 in WS/48
5 of 8 in PER
West & Baylor played 12 RS together.
But they only played 8 POs together bc Baylor started earlier and bc of injuries.
Baylor led West once in WS/48 (1961) & 3 times in PER (1961-63). Not the same after 1963 injury.
JW led:
7 of 8 in WS/48
5 of 8 in PER
West vs. Baylor in POs: TEAMMATES
JW's mates = EB's mates
WS/48:
JW's mates (including EB) higher median bc JW played more POs w/ Wilt.
Median, median rank:
JW's mates: .091, 11.0
EB's mates: .082, 13.0
But EB's mates (including JW): 4 of top 6 in WS/48
JW's mates = EB's mates
WS/48:
JW's mates (including EB) higher median bc JW played more POs w/ Wilt.
Median, median rank:
JW's mates: .091, 11.0
EB's mates: .082, 13.0
But EB's mates (including JW): 4 of top 6 in WS/48
Oscar vs. Baylor in POs
WS/48: OR > EB
OR: 6 of top 8
EB: Top 2
Median, median rank:
OR .192, 7.5
EB .107, 15.0
PER: OR slightly > EB
EB: 4 of top 5, but 5 of LOWEST 7
Median, median rank
OR: 22.0, 10.5
EB: 21.0, 12.0
WS/48: OR > EB
OR: 6 of top 8
EB: Top 2
Median, median rank:
OR .192, 7.5
EB .107, 15.0
PER: OR slightly > EB
EB: 4 of top 5, but 5 of LOWEST 7
Median, median rank
OR: 22.0, 10.5
EB: 21.0, 12.0
Oscar vs. Baylor: TEAMMATES in POs:
WS/48:
OR: Top 3
EB: 5 of top 8
Median, median rank
EB's mates .082, 10.0
OR's mates .072, 12.5
WS/48:
OR: Top 3
EB: 5 of top 8
Median, median rank
EB's mates .082, 10.0
OR's mates .072, 12.5
Championships:
11 Russell
1 West
1 Oscar
0 Baylor
Russell's PO Record:
6-0 vs. Baylor
6-0 vs. West
3-0 vs. Oscar
Thus, Russell is viewed as a "winner" and the others are viewed as "losers."
11 Russell
1 West
1 Oscar
0 Baylor
Russell's PO Record:
6-0 vs. Baylor
6-0 vs. West
3-0 vs. Oscar
Thus, Russell is viewed as a "winner" and the others are viewed as "losers."
But maybe TEAMMATES were the real key.
Below is a table ranked by teammates WS/48 from 1959-69, when Russell played against the other 3.
9 of top 11, 11 of 16 are Russell's mates!!
His mates' lowest (.090) is higher than any of Oscar's mates and all but one of West's.
Below is a table ranked by teammates WS/48 from 1959-69, when Russell played against the other 3.
9 of top 11, 11 of 16 are Russell's mates!!
His mates' lowest (.090) is higher than any of Oscar's mates and all but one of West's.
Oscar, West, Baylor in Playoffs: Summary
West slightly > Oscar
West > Baylor
Oscar > Baylor
Teammates of all three were pretty even overall.
Best mates: Kareem (Oscar) and Wilt (West & Baylor)
However, Russell's mates >>>>>>>> all three.
West slightly > Oscar
West > Baylor
Oscar > Baylor
Teammates of all three were pretty even overall.
Best mates: Kareem (Oscar) and Wilt (West & Baylor)
However, Russell's mates >>>>>>>> all three.
