I can& #39;t speak for other nonbinary and transmasc people, but I don& #39;t want to be included in women& #39;s spaces. I want to be acknowledged and included in spaces that recognize my gender as marginalized but for which misgendering, implicit or direct, isn& #39;t the ticket price.

The ways we experience the violence--social and physical--enacted on people *society identifies as women* is mediated heavily by gender identity. The misogyny is superficially the same; its impact isn& #39;t.

Women claiming us and then rejecting us when we try to articulate our separate experiences -- let alone express that they& #39;ve been the source of a lot of that specific trauma and frustration -- is an exhausting cycle, and one we get stuck in because we have nowhere else to go.

In your quest to be inclusive of transwomen (GOOD! IMPORTANT!), I think a lot of you have jumped straight to "everyone not a cis man is a woman" as the proper progressive stance.