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Okay NEW thread to talk about shows I love that pass/fail the male lead or leader character. As a personal rule, the Cis/Het male MC should be the most traumatized by the end of the series. Doesn& #39;t have to be at the start, but I relate on a rising scale of trauma 
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Star Trek Enterprise. I love Captain Archer. He& #39;s the best captain. The Kirk/Picard debate is irrelevant (and excludes Sisko from DS9 for some reason? And Janeway never gets any airtime either) :/
Anyway he passes (and so does Picard, but I& #39;m an Enterprise kid)
Anyway he passes (and so does Picard, but I& #39;m an Enterprise kid)
Battlestar Galactica. I don& #39;t think I need to explain why these are the best sci-fi characters ever created.
But Adama: he& #39;s a fucking boss. Complicated relationship with his son, supports Roslin, motivated by everyone he protects, a brilliant strategist, and gravitas for YEARShttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="♥️" title="Herz" aria-label="Emoji: Herz">
But Adama: he& #39;s a fucking boss. Complicated relationship with his son, supports Roslin, motivated by everyone he protects, a brilliant strategist, and gravitas for YEARS
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12 Monkeys. I actually missed the last season https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="👀" title="Augen" aria-label="Emoji: Augen"> but I need to rewatch.
12 Monkeys is a masterpiece of time travel sci-fi and also tbh runs up pretty close to BSG in terms of instantly iconic characters in an extinction situation @IowaMasshole you& #39;ll hear this one again
12 Monkeys is a masterpiece of time travel sci-fi and also tbh runs up pretty close to BSG in terms of instantly iconic characters in an extinction situation @IowaMasshole you& #39;ll hear this one again
but I need to rewatch.12 Monkeys is a masterpiece of time travel sci-fi and also tbh runs up pretty close to BSG in terms of instantly iconic characters in an extinction situation @IowaMasshole you& #39;ll hear this one again" title="12 Monkeys. I actually missed the last season https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="👀" title="Augen" aria-label="Emoji: Augen"> but I need to rewatch.12 Monkeys is a masterpiece of time travel sci-fi and also tbh runs up pretty close to BSG in terms of instantly iconic characters in an extinction situation @IowaMasshole you& #39;ll hear this one again" class="img-responsive" style="max-width:100%;"/>
Anyway Cole passes because he& #39;s
1: not the leader
2: takes the brunt of the trauma on the show
3: I can& #39;t explain how incredible he and Cassie are as a duo. Cassie as a character deserves her own thread
4: 12 Monkeys is mostly female driven as a show and it fucking rules
1: not the leader
2: takes the brunt of the trauma on the show
3: I can& #39;t explain how incredible he and Cassie are as a duo. Cassie as a character deserves her own thread
4: 12 Monkeys is mostly female driven as a show and it fucking rules
Agents of Shield. I love Coulson. He& #39;s great because he has like 3 lifetimes worth of traumahttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="😂" title="Gesicht mit Freudentränen" aria-label="Emoji: Gesicht mit Freudentränen">, he& #39;s technically the leader but the team does most of the work, he eventually steps down as leader! That& #39;s a big one. And his arc is basically learning to pass on leadership. A+
, he& #39;s technically the leader but the team does most of the work, he eventually steps down as leader! That& #39;s a big one. And his arc is basically learning to pass on leadership. A+" title="Agents of Shield. I love Coulson. He& #39;s great because he has like 3 lifetimes worth of traumahttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="😂" title="Gesicht mit Freudentränen" aria-label="Emoji: Gesicht mit Freudentränen">, he& #39;s technically the leader but the team does most of the work, he eventually steps down as leader! That& #39;s a big one. And his arc is basically learning to pass on leadership. A+" class="img-responsive" style="max-width:100%;"/>
Okay now: Sense8
Will exists because they couldn& #39;t have marketed this show without a white male leadhttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="😂" title="Gesicht mit Freudentränen" aria-label="Emoji: Gesicht mit Freudentränen"> I& #39;m convinced of that.
He does have a dead girl in his backstory, but he didn& #39;t actually know her+it motivates his complex to take responsibility for literally everything
Will exists because they couldn& #39;t have marketed this show without a white male lead
He does have a dead girl in his backstory, but he didn& #39;t actually know her+it motivates his complex to take responsibility for literally everything
I& #39;m convinced of that.He does have a dead girl in his backstory, but he didn& #39;t actually know her+it motivates his complex to take responsibility for literally everything" title="Okay now: Sense8Will exists because they couldn& #39;t have marketed this show without a white male leadhttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="😂" title="Gesicht mit Freudentränen" aria-label="Emoji: Gesicht mit Freudentränen"> I& #39;m convinced of that.He does have a dead girl in his backstory, but he didn& #39;t actually know her+it motivates his complex to take responsibility for literally everything" class="img-responsive" style="max-width:100%;"/>
And I can accept that because every terrible plot related thing that happens they put on Will. He& #39;s the team& #39;s trauma sponge. I find that acceptable.
Also he relies on Nomi, a hacker savant trans woman, for basically everything, and I love that and I love Nomi, so...
Also he relies on Nomi, a hacker savant trans woman, for basically everything, and I love that and I love Nomi, so...
As a Cis-Het man myself, Will helped me get invested in the show the first time I watched it. The second time through, I didn& #39;t care for him much, but he plays that important role, so it is what it is
I will add that over 2 seasons he goes from kinda uncomfortable when his heterosexuality is questioned to dancing shirtless between two other men+dancing on a float at pride and that is an excellent arc I gotta say
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Not to mention their sense-orgies
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Elite. Not sci-fi but still needs mentioning. Guzman is THE blueprint for Cis-Het men for me going forward. A totally accepting ally of his gay and bi best friends, apologized for being shitty to Nadia, redeemed by love. He and Nadia are one of the best couples I& #39;ve ever seen
Travelers. Amazing show, top tier. But Mack as a Cis-Het leader is boring. He& #39;s a good man, and that& #39;s important, and there& #39;s a touching episode about it, but hehttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="👏" title="Applaus-Zeichen" aria-label="Emoji: Applaus-Zeichen">ishttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="👏" title="Applaus-Zeichen" aria-label="Emoji: Applaus-Zeichen">generichttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/... draggable="false" alt="👏" title="Applaus-Zeichen" aria-label="Emoji: Applaus-Zeichen">. Sorry, he doesn& #39;t pass. (But the show absolutely does)
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Expanse. One of my faves.
In the books, he not only fails, he flops. Can& #39;t stand him. He& #39;s a generic space paladin.
BUT
I love show Holden. He& #39;s a coffee loving, idealistic, good hearted dork. He& #39;s also a good man. That is important.
The show saved him. I allow him a pass.
In the books, he not only fails, he flops. Can& #39;t stand him. He& #39;s a generic space paladin.
BUT
I love show Holden. He& #39;s a coffee loving, idealistic, good hearted dork. He& #39;s also a good man. That is important.
The show saved him. I allow him a pass.
Luther is the worst example of a bland completely replaceable male leader character and is pretty much responsible for this entire thread. He fucking fails. I hate him.
