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Little thread why this is actually misinformed and really missed its mark. https://twitter.com/sophie47112187/status/1290456335457357825
First we have to get one thing straight. You know you make good points on the whole marital siblings things and I'll be honest, a lot of fans struggle with not knowing that wwx, jc and jyl are martial siblings and not adoptive ones
But what you don't realize, that regardless of their official relationship, that of martial siblings, you can't deny that their relationships run so much more deeper than that.
Sure they're only martial siblings but they see each other as much more than that. Actual siblings.
Sure they're only martial siblings but they see each other as much more than that. Actual siblings.
First let's understand a little thing about psychology, cause you're gonna say that I don't understand Chinese culture around martial siblings but in fact, I do! I also know a little thing about psychology which culture has nothing to do with. Sorry, that's a universal thing.
When wwx was orphaned he was only 5 years old. Old enough to know that yes, he wasn't be adopted by Jiang Fengmian but also not old enough to prevent any familial bonding from occuring, which happened whether he wanted it or not.
He was only FIVE, for heavens sake, how is he not supposed to be welcomed into a new family and automatically imprint on them like they are his own. How was he not supposed to love his new martial family like a real family, they're all he had.
Plus it's time to accept that wwx wasn't just a marital sibling, he was special. Because he wasn't just anyone that lived with sect heir, he wasn't just anyone that got to have dinner with the sect leader and his family. Jc and Jyl treated him as a blood sibling, that is fact.
Do you think jc would give himself up to the wens for anyone he didn't consider family? Do you think he would have gone into it knowing his core would be destroyed, he would be tortured, and possibly killed for anyone he didn't love like a blood sibling.
Do you think he would have left jyl, his ACTUAL blood sister whom he loved dearly, and trust her fate to anyone other than what he considered blood family? No they were not close friends, they were family, they saw each other has family.
This is true for jyl as well. Do you think she would have jumped in front of that blade for anyone other than a blood sibling, for anyone she didn't love like her a-cheng. No. She would not have orphaned her ONE MONTH OLD SON to protect someone she didn't love like her brother.
Their bonds are like that of blood siblings. I have two full blood siblings myself, there's not a thing I wouldn't do to protect them. I also have two half siblings. There's not a thing I wouldn't do for them. I also have a step sister, again I would do anything for her.
It doesn't matter the level of blood relation I have to them. Siblings are siblings.
And then you claim "well you act like chengxian is incest but ship sworn brothers" When in reality, we are just taking your advice. Because we know the culture behind it. 3zun are sworn brothers and unlike the yunmeng siblings, they fully recognize each other as strictly that.
Lxc doesn't suddenly love jgy like a blood brother because he's his sworn brother. Nmj doesn't suddenly love lxc like he loves Huaisang just because he's a sworn brother. That's not how it works. They weren't raised together and their bond goes no further than that.
Moving on, I don't know where you got that time line but in actuality, chengyi is a pedophilic/and if not very problematic ship.
You are assuming lsz and by extension ljy are in their early 20s when that simply isn't true.
You are assuming lsz and by extension ljy are in their early 20s when that simply isn't true.
At the time in the burial mounds lsz was 2, at most 3 years old. In the novel it talks about a-yuan chewing on chenqing because he was teething. Toddlers begin teething and then finish around 2-3 years old.
But let's be generous and say he was 3 years old at the start of it
But let's be generous and say he was 3 years old at the start of it
Meaning by the time of the siege he was no more than 4 years old. Fast forward those 13 years and guess what, you got a 16-17 year old. Ljy is around that age so 16-17 years old for him too. That's if we are being generous. (And assuming I actually have the correct timeline)
So perhaps it's not quite pedophilic. But it still certainly is problematic. It's problematic for jc to be with someone when he is twice their age. It Is NOT the same for lwj to be with the 24 year old body of mxy. (Again if my understanding of the time line holds)
And to your final point, you say it shouldn't matter and in a way it doesn't. Mdzs is a work of fiction, what exists in fiction and what you enjoy in fiction doesn't necessarily translate over to your own personal beliefs and morals. Only it's not the same either.
Enjoying a horror movie that has murder in it doesn't mean you condone murder but fundamentally, it's not the murder you enjoy anyway. It's the emotional responses that horror gives you. The suspense, the fear, the angst, the sadness. Not the murder itself.
So you can claim that, it's fiction you don't support it in real life, you are actively looking for the emotional response shipping incest/pedophilic ships give you which imo is just as bad. You don't enjoy the murder you enjoy the emotions. In this case, you enjoy both.
You ship these two characters because you enjoy it. These two characters give you an emotional response which you also enjoy. You read fan fiction for them to get more emotional release. How is that not support?
Just be honest with yourselves. You're gonna ship what you're gonna ship regardless of what I think or what I say. You're gonna ship them regardless if you try to justify it. So next time, just don't try to justify it. If you're so pressed about just move on.
You will always think what you're going to think, you don't need to justify it and you shouldn't fight to justify what others see as incest or pedophilia. The fact you even attempt to justify your reasonings is worrisome.
Ship what you're going to ship. People that agree with you will follow you and create the content you like. People that disagree will create the content they like. Move on.
In conclusion I could have gotten some timelines incorrect but at least I know basic human psychology and don't romanticize every single time someone has a genuine human connection.
