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Prophet (S) said to Imam Ali (as):

"You are the wali of every believer after me"

The Shia have used this hadith as proof that Imam Ali (as) is the imam and has Wilayah over the believers. However the opponents have denied that this hadith proves it. Let's analyze.

[𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 "𝙖𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙢𝙚"]
Al-Imam Al-Hafidh Abi Al-Ula Al-Mobarkafori said:
Ahmad (ibn Hanbal) narrated in his Musnad:
"And he is the wali of every believer after me"...
And the Shia have used it as evidence that Ali (ra) was the immediate caliph after the..→

→ Messenger of Allah (S). And their evidence of this is incorrect, as it (the evidence) revolves around the authenticity of the addition of the word "after me" and the (assumption) of it being correct, established and allowed for being used as evidence, and the matter is not→

→ like that, for it (the addition) was individually said by Ja'far ibn Sulayman and he is a Shi'i, rather he is extreme in his Shi'i (beliefs)…"

Source: Tuhfa Al-Ahwadhi bi-Sharh Jami' Al-Tirmidhi. Volume 10. Page. 146

[𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙫𝙖𝙡𝙪𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 "𝙖𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙢𝙚"]
Shaykh Al-Salafiyyah Ibn Taymiyyah states:

"..And the Prophet (S) willed for Abu Bakr, and ordered that he lead them in prayer, and he ordered (the muslims) to emulate him, he said: "Emulate those after me..→

→ Abu Bakr and Umar", 𝙎𝙤 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙤𝙛 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩: "𝙖𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙢𝙚" 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙨𝙨𝙪𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙥𝙝𝙖𝙩𝙚?."

Source: Al-La'ali Al-Bahiyya fi Sharh Al-Aqeeda Al-Wasitiyyah. Vol. 2. P. 447

(The hadith is weak)

[𝘼𝙪𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙘 𝙝𝙖𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙝𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 "𝙖𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙢𝙚"]

1. Mustadrak 'Ala Al-Sahihain. V. 3. P. 144

"Ibn Abbas said: And the Messenger of Allah (S) said to him: "You are the wali of every believer after me"

Grading by Al-Hakim & Al-Dhahabi: Sahih

2. Sunan Al-Tirmidhi. H. 3712

"He (S) said: What do you want from Ali? What do you want from Ali? What do you want from Ali? Indeed Ali is from me and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me."

Grading by Al-Tirmidhi: Hasan Gharib
Al-Albani: Sahih

3. Kanz Al-Ummal. H. 36444

"He (S) said: What do you want from Ali? Ali is from me and I am from him and Ali is the wali of every believer after me."

[(Narrated by Ibn Abi Shayba and Ibn Jarir and he authenticated it.]

4. Kanz Al-Ummal. H. 32941

"Ali is from me and I am from him, and Ali is the wali of every believer after me."

[Narrated by Ibn Abi Shayba from Umran ibn Husayn;
Grading: Sahih].

5. Khasa'is Amir Al-Mo'mineen by Al-Nasa'i. H. 86

"So the Messenger of Allah (S) turned towards them and the anger was seen on his face and said: What do you want from Ali? Indeed Ali is from me and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me."

Grading: Sahih

6. Al-Ihsan fi Taqrib Sahih Ibn Habban. V. 15. P. 374

Hadith: Like the previous.

Grading: "Its chain is strong, Al-Hassan ibn Umar ibn Shaqiq is trustworthy, he narrated to Al-Bukhari, and those above him are the narrators of the Shaykhayn (Bukhari and Muslim) except for →

→ Ja'far ibn Sulayman, 𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙣𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙈𝙪𝙨𝙡𝙞𝙢, and he is trustworthy."

7. Al-Bidayah Wa Al-Nihayah by Ibn Kathir. V. 11 P. 45

"Imam Ahmad said: ...And the Messenger of Allah (S) said to him: You are the wali for every believer after me."

Grading: Sahih

8. Al-Sunnah by Ibn Abi 'Asim. V. 1. P. 799

"The Messenger of Allah (S) said: Ali is from me, and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me."

Grading: Sahih. 𝑻𝙝𝙚 𝙣𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙣𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙈𝙪𝙨𝙡𝙞𝙢.

9. Musnad Abi Ya'la. H. 95 (355).

"What do you want from Ali? Indeed Ali is from me and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me."

Grading: It's narrators are from the narrators of Sahih. And Ibn Habban authenticated it..

10. Jami' Al-Jawami' known as Al-Jami' Al-Kabir by Al-Suyuti. V. 5. P. 736

"Ali is from me and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me."

Grading: Sahih

11. Al-siraj Al-Munir by Al-Suyuti. H. 4240.

"What do you want from Ali? What do you want from Ali? What do you want from Ali? Indeed Ali is from me and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me."

Grading: Sahih

12. Itkhaf Al-Khira Al-Mahra by Al-Busayri. V. 7 P. 184

"And from Ibn Abbas (ra) that the Messenger of Allah (S) said to Ali: You are the wali of every believer after me."

Grading: Abu Dawood Al-Tayalisi narrated it with a Sahih chain.

13. Musnad Ahmad. H. 19813

"So the Messenger of Allah (S) turned towards the fourth and his (S) face had changed (out of anger) and said: Leave Ali, leave Ali, leave Ali. Indeed Ali is from me and I am from him and he is the wali of every believer after me.

Grading: Sahih

[𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙤𝙛 𝘼𝙡-𝘼𝙡𝙗𝙖𝙣𝙞]

"And Al-Tirmidhi said: Hadith is Hassan Gharib. we do not know it except from the hadith of Ja'far ibn Sulayman.

I say: And he (Ja'far) is trustworthy from the narrators of Muslim, and so are the rest of the narrators →

→ And that is why Al-Hakim said: "Sahih by the standards of Muslim" and Al-Dhahabi agreed with him.

And there is a witness for the hadith by the hadith of Ajlah Al-Kindi from Abdullah ibn Buraydah from his father Buraydah he said: ….and at the end of the hadith →

→ "Do not complain about Ali for he is from me and I am from him, and he is your wali after me." Ahmad narrated it (5/356)

I say: It's chain is Hassan, it's narrators are trustworthy from the narrators of the Shaykhayn except for Ajlah and he is Ibn Abdullah Al-Kindi →

→ There are differences of opinions about him. And it is stated in Al-Taqrib: "Trustworthy Shi'i"

If someone were to say: This witnessing hadith is narrated by a Shi'i, and the narrator of the other witnessed hadith too, Ja'far ibn Sulayman, is a Shi'i, does that not make →

→ the hadith objectionable?

I say: No. This is because the only conditions for the acceptability of hadiths are the truthfulness and good memory of the narrator. As for his sectarian beliefs, that is a matter between him and his Lord only and He is sufficient for him. →

→ This is why we see the authors of the Sahihs and others narrate from several of the truthful ones among the deviants, like the Khawarij and the Shi'ites and others. This is exactly the case with the hadith under discussion. Ibn Hibban declared it Sahih as you have read.→

→ Yet, he himself has said about Ja'far in his work Mashaheer Ulama Al-Amsar: "He (Ja'far) is a Shi'i, an extremist Shi'i."

Rather he said in his Al-Thuqat: 'He (Ja'far) hated the Shaykhayn (Abu Bakr and Umar)”

I am in doubt of it to be true about him, but there is no doubt→

→ that he was a Shi'i and a Shi'i does not necessarily mean enmity of the Shaykhayn, rather it is only to believe in superiority of another person (i.e. Ali over them). And in the chain of the narration that says: He (Ja'far ibn Sulayman) hated Abu Bakr and Umar, →

→ there is a narrator whose name is Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Haroon, and he has no biography, and I couldn’t find another chain for that narration.

And despite that, Ibn Hibban says: "Yet, Ja'far ibn Sulayman is trustworthy and excellent in narrating hadiths, apart from the fact→

→ that he is inclined towards the Ahlulbayt. But, he does not invite towards his creed. And there is no disagreement among the scholars of hadith that narrations of a truthful and excellent narrator are to be accepted as proof, even if there is heresy in him,→

→ as long as he does not invite towards his heresy."

Besides all this, the hadith itself has been narrated through another chain which does not contain even a single Shi’i narrator. The statement (of the Holy Prophet): "Ali is from me and I am from him" is proven, →

→ it is in Sahih Al-Bukhari through the narration of Al-Bara ibn Hazeb in the story of discussion of Ali, Zaid and Ja'far about the daughter of Hamza, and he (the Prophet) said to Ali (ra): "You are from me and I am from you." →

→ and it has been narrated through the narration of Habshi ibn Junada, which is mentioned before under the narration one thousand nine hundred and eighty."

As for his statement: "He is the wali of every believer after me," it has been narrated through Ibn Abbas. →

Al-Tayalisi records: Narrated Abi Uwana from Abi Balj from Amr ibn Maymun from ibn Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (S) said to Ali: "You are the wali of every believer after me." Ahmad has also narrated it, and through his chain Al-Hakim, after narrating it, →

→ says: "Its chain is Sahih" Al-Dhahabi too agrees with him, and it is indeed as the two of them have stated.

So it is truly very strange that Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah dares to deny this hadith..”
Source: Silsalat Al-Ahadith AL-Sahihah. V.. 5 P. 261 -263.

[𝙎𝙥𝙚𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡 𝙫𝙞𝙧𝙩𝙪𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝘼𝙡𝙞]

Abu Hafs ibn Shahin states:

"The Messenger of Allah (S) said: Ali is from me and I am from him, and he is the wali of every believer after me.

Ali was individually given this virtue (and) no one shared this virtue with him. →

Source: Sharh Madhahib Ahl-Sunnah.

If one would claim that the word wali here means support, love and friendship then why would Imam Ali (as) be the only one given this virtue? Quran states: The believing men and believing women are allies (awliya) of one another." (9:71) →

→ And if it means love then what is the point of the addition of the word "after me"? Since we know that support and love of Ali ibn Abi Talib was existant during the life of the Prophet (S) and after his martyrdom? →

→ There is only one explanation and that is, the word wali here means guardianship and authority after the Prophet (S) as Shaykh Al-Salafiyyah Ibn Taymiyya stated.

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