



A thread proving Messi is by far the better player versus top teams

-- La Liga 09/10 to 17/18 - -
* EXPERIMENT *
Messi
v Ronaldo 
Vote who you think is better v Top 10 teams, then vote at the end of the thread again once you have read the facts
Messi


Vote who you think is better v Top 10 teams, then vote at the end of the thread again once you have read the facts
I will start with totals, for those that dont want to read season by season stats (if you do want to - keep reading the thread!)
Will go in this order...
Total Goals v Top X
Total Assists v Top X
Total Goals and Assists v Top X
Followed by best 3 seasons against top 3-10
Will go in this order...
Total Goals v Top X
Total Assists v Top X
Total Goals and Assists v Top X
Followed by best 3 seasons against top 3-10

TOTAL goals v Top X -
from 09/10 to 17/18
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v
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Top 3:
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Top 4:
v 

Top 5:
v 

Top 6:
v 
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Top 7:

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Top 8:

v 


Top 9:

v 


Top 10:

v 

from 09/10 to 17/18
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Top 3:





Top 4:





Top 5:





Top 6:






Top 7:






Top 8:







Top 9:







Top 10:







TOTAL assists v Top X -
from 09/10 to 17/18
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v
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Top 3:
v

Top 4:
v

Top 5:
v

Top 6:
v 

Top 7:
v 

Top 8:
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Top 9:
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Top 10:
v 

Messi has more v top 3 than CR v top 5
from 09/10 to 17/18
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Top 3:




Top 4:




Top 5:




Top 6:





Top 7:





Top 8:





Top 9:





Top 10:





Messi has more v top 3 than CR v top 5
Total goals and assists v Top X -
from 09/10 to 17/18
(
v
)
Top 3:
v 

Top 4:
v 

Top 5:
v 

Top 6:

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Top 7:

v 


Top 8:

v 


Top 9:

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Top 10:

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from 09/10 to 17/18
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Top 3:





Top 4:





Top 5:





Top 6:






Top 7:







Top 8:







Top 9:







Top 10:







Quick stats:
Most G v a top 10 opponent in a season - Leo

Most hattricks v a top 10 opponent in a season - Leo

Most assists v a top 10 opponent in a season - Leo

Most G and A v a top 10 opponent in a season -
Leo
(v 3rd place)
CR
(v 7th place)
Most G v a top 10 opponent in a season - Leo


Most hattricks v a top 10 opponent in a season - Leo


Most assists v a top 10 opponent in a season - Leo


Most G and A v a top 10 opponent in a season -
Leo


CR


Best goal seasons v Top 3:
Messi
-
goals (12/13)
-
goals (09/10)
-
goals (11/12)
Cristiano
-
goals (10/11)
-
goals (12/13)
-
goals (14/15)
1-0 to Messi on this.
Next up - assists...
Messi







Cristiano







1-0 to Messi on this.
Next up - assists...

Best assist seasons v top 3:
Messi
assists (11/12)
assists (13/14)
assists (14/15)
Cristiano
assist (12/13)
assist (13/14)
assists (all other seasons)
I make that 2-0.
Next up is top 4..
Messi







Cristiano







I make that 2-0.
Next up is top 4..

Top goal seasons v top 4:
Messi

goals (11/12)
goals (12/13)
goals (09/10)
Cristiano
goals (10/11)
goals (16/17)
goals (11/12)
3-0 to the little magician
Assists v top 4...
Messi








Cristiano







3-0 to the little magician

Assists v top 4...

Best assist seasons v top 4:
Messi
Assists (11/12)
Assists (14/15)
Assists (17/18)
Cristiano
assists (13/14)
assist (10/11)
assist (11/12)
4-0. This is only going 1 way

Messi







Cristiano







4-0. This is only going 1 way



Best goal seasons v Top 5:
Messi

Goals (11/12)
Goals (12/13)
Goals (16/17)
Cristiano

goals (10/11)

goals (11/12)
goals (12/13)
This was closer. However, 5-0.
We move onto assists.
Messi








Cristiano









This was closer. However, 5-0.
We move onto assists.

Best assist seasons v top 5:
Messi
Assists (11/12)
Assists (10/11)
Assists (13/14)
Cristiano
Assists (11/12)
Assists (12/13)
Assists (13/14)
6-0.
Onto top 6....
Messi







Cristiano







6-0.
Onto top 6....
Best goal seasons v top 6:
Messi

Goals (11/12)

Goals (16/17)

Goals (12/13)
Cristiano

Goals (10/11)

Goals (11/12)
Goals (14/15)
Now we're getting towards the softer teams Cristiano is catching up. Still a win for Leo. 7-0
Messi










Cristiano









Now we're getting towards the softer teams Cristiano is catching up. Still a win for Leo. 7-0
Best assist seasons v top 6:
Messi
Assists (11/12)
Assists (14/15)
Assists (17/18)
Cristiano
Assists (11/12)
Assists (12/13)
Assists (13/14)
8-0.
Top 7?...
Messi







Cristiano






8-0.
Top 7?...
Best goals season v top 7:
Messi

Goals (11/12)

Goals (12/13)

Goals (16/17)
Cristiano

Goals (11/12)

Goals (10/11)

Goals (14/15)
9-0 to the tiny Argentine.
Messi










Cristiano










9-0 to the tiny Argentine.
Best assist seasons v top 7:
Messi
Assists (14/15)
Assists (11/12)
Assists (13/14)
Cristiano
Assists (11/12)
Assists (12/13)
Assists (09/10)
10-0. Messi cant be beaten at this point, but let's keep going anyway.
Onto the top 8...
Messi







Cristiano






10-0. Messi cant be beaten at this point, but let's keep going anyway.
Onto the top 8...
Best goals seasons v top 8:
Messi

Goals (11/12)

Goals (12/13)

Goals (16/17)
Cristiano

Goals (11/12)

Goals (10/12)

Goals (14/15)
That is 11-0.
Assists...
Messi










Cristiano










That is 11-0.
Assists...
Best assist season v top 8:
Messi
Assists (11/12)
Assists (14/15)
Assists (10/11)
Cristiano
Assists (11/12)
Assists (12/13)
Assists (13/14)
So far Messi has had the best seasons for goals or assists v top 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8
Messi







Cristiano







So far Messi has had the best seasons for goals or assists v top 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8

Best goal seasons v top 9:
Messi

Goals (11/12)

Goals (12/13)

Goals (16/17)
Cristiano

Goals (11/12)

Goals (10/11)

Goals (14/15)
13-0.
Assists..
Messi










Cristiano










13-0.
Assists..

Best assist seasons v top 9:
Messi
Assists (11/12)
Assists (14/15)
Assists (13/14)
Cristiano
Assists (14/15)
Assists (11/12)
Assists (12/13)
14-0 to Leo.
We are finally on the last 1.
The top 10....
Messi







Cristiano







14-0 to Leo.
We are finally on the last 1.
The top 10....

Best goals seasons v top 10:
Messi

Goals (11/12)

Goals (12/13)

Goals (16/17)
Cristiano

Goals (11/12)

Goals (14/15)

Goals (10/11)
Cristiano has 1 last chance to get a point - assists v top 10....
Messi










Cristiano










Cristiano has 1 last chance to get a point - assists v top 10....

Best assist seasons v top 10:
Messi

Assists (11/12)
Assists (14/15)
Assists (10/11)
Cristiano
Assists (14/15)
Assists (11/12)
Assists (12/23)
Clean sweep for Messi -
16-0
Messi








Cristiano







Clean sweep for Messi -
16-0
So in summary:
Messi scores more goals AND assists more goals against top:









Ronaldo scores or assists more v none of the top half.
Messi scores more goals AND assists more goals against top:









Ronaldo scores or assists more v none of the top half.
Hope you enjoyed this thread.
Now with the facts displayed, who do you think was better v top teams?
Ill be honest I initially expected Ronaldo to come out on top - which shows how powerful his PR is.
Now with the facts displayed, who do you think was better v top teams?
Ill be honest I initially expected Ronaldo to come out on top - which shows how powerful his PR is.