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I wasn’t going to tweet about this, but with everything that has been happening recently, I need to talk about it otherwise I’ll explode.
In this thread, I’m gonna talk about
, 
and fan service.
DISCLAIMER: I’m an OT7 VRMY before anything else. I also support and +
In this thread, I’m gonna talk about
, and fan service.DISCLAIMER: I’m an OT7 VRMY before anything else. I also support
and +
see the possibility of them being more than friends. However, I admire and love every other ship in 875 equally. If you don’t feel comfortable reading this, please stop. If you want to comment, please censor the boys’ names and be respectful, whether you agree with me or not.
I’m not trying to start any fan war, this is just my opinion and I wanted to share it. Also English isn’t my first language, so I’m sorry for the typos.
Let’s get it~
To start with, we can put the moments into 4 categories:
1. The private moments, which are the ones we will +
Let’s get it~
To start with, we can put the moments into 4 categories:
1. The private moments, which are the ones we will +
never see;
2. The off camera moments, which are caught by a camera or seen by someone else;
3. The backstage moments filmed by the staff;
4. The moments on stage or in public places with VRMY.
The category 4 can be divided into 3:
4.1. Fan service (moments done in order to +
2. The off camera moments, which are caught by a camera or seen by someone else;
3. The backstage moments filmed by the staff;
4. The moments on stage or in public places with VRMY.
The category 4 can be divided into 3:
4.1. Fan service (moments done in order to +
please the fans);
4.2. Subtle gestures (e.g.: when 875 signalled each other not to do the dance as the stage was dangerous);
4.3. Genuine interactions that aren’t fan service nor planned, but fans still go crazy for them (thanks @peachlesslyyy for reminding me of this one
)
4.2. Subtle gestures (e.g.: when 875 signalled each other not to do the dance as the stage was dangerous);
4.3. Genuine interactions that aren’t fan service nor planned, but fans still go crazy for them (thanks @peachlesslyyy for reminding me of this one
)
Again I’m not hating anyone’s bond, all the members are extremely close and that’s undeniable. And as everyone knows every ship has their own fan service moments or gets a little “clingy” in front of staffs’ cameras.
Now let’s talk about’s Rose Bowl moment. As you know, +
Now let’s talk about
’s Rose Bowl moment. As you know, +
this was a very emotional moment for 875 and ended up crying. saw crying and went there to comfort him and make him feel better. was really worried about and no one can say otherwise. They all care deeply about each other, and ’s bond is so pretty.
ended up crying. saw crying and went there to comfort him and make him feel better. was really worried about and no one can say otherwise. They all care deeply about each other, and ’s bond is so pretty.
With this being said, I just want to add some extra information. There are some things that in a normal fan camera or in the big screen we can’t see. Looking carefully at the picture below, we can see what’s happening around them (+ some extra information):
1. There was B!g H!t staff taking pictures of them on their left;
2., who was standing behind , looked to his left;
3. kissed/nibbled ’s ear while whispering something;
4. This sweet gesture had a duration of several seconds;
5. The moment was being transmitted on the +
2.
, who was standing behind , looked to his left;3.
kissed/nibbled ’s ear while whispering something;4. This sweet gesture had a duration of several seconds;
5. The moment was being transmitted on the +
big screen;
6. And now it has used for the teaser of memories of 2019, which means it’s gonna be part of the DVDs.
Before continuing, I ask you not to sexualise this moment as it was a very emotional and vulnerable moment for them, specially for.
6. And now it has used for the teaser of memories of 2019, which means it’s gonna be part of the DVDs.
Before continuing, I ask you not to sexualise this moment as it was a very emotional and vulnerable moment for them, specially for
.
So taking into account the types of moments listed above, I don’t think I can put this moment in just one category. I would say this moment is inbetween 4.1. and 4.3.. Let me explain why.
First of all, it wasn’t fan service, but at the same time it wasn’t completely done just +
First of all, it wasn’t fan service, but at the same time it wasn’t completely done just +
to stay between the two of them. was worried about and that’s why he did that gesture. However, I also want to say that moment was a little bit overdone, because kept the moment going for longer than usual.
Also, kissing/nibling someone's ear is not a comforting +
was worried about and that’s why he did that gesture. However, I also want to say that moment was a little bit overdone, because kept the moment going for longer than usual.Also, kissing/nibling someone's ear is not a comforting +
gesture, nor towards a friend nor towards a partner. Hugging or/and saying encouraging words would be the normal in any circumstance. If your partner is crying, the last thing you want to do is to turn it into something sexual. You want them to feel you are there for them and +
that they aren’t alone.
So hugging and even saying “Don’t cry, ” were the real sweet gestures here. IN MY OPINION, the ear thing was the part that overdid a little for the eyes and cameras (taking also into account the unnecesary amount of time).
So
hugging and even saying “Don’t cry, ” were the real sweet gestures here. IN MY OPINION, the ear thing was the part that overdid a little for the eyes and cameras (taking also into account the unnecesary amount of time).
I’m not denigrating this moment, because personally I love it too. And honestly, I understand why this moment is used to prove ’s bond (even though no bond between 875 members should be questioned in first place), it was a genuine moment with a lot of care and softness.
’s bond (even though no bond between 875 members should be questioned in first place), it was a genuine moment with a lot of care and softness.
But to prove ’s love relationship, I don’t think this moment helps.
Well, before continuing, I ask you to read this quora post please. I know normally quora posts aren’t the best, but this one has some very good and neutral points. https://www.quora.com/Have-any-ships-in-Kpop-ever-turned-out-to-be-true/answer/Helen-Xu-108?ch=10&share=e67cee90&srid=uTLAgm
’s love relationship, I don’t think this moment helps.Well, before continuing, I ask you to read this quora post please. I know normally quora posts aren’t the best, but this one has some very good and neutral points. https://www.quora.com/Have-any-ships-in-Kpop-ever-turned-out-to-be-true/answer/Helen-Xu-108?ch=10&share=e67cee90&srid=uTLAgm
Some points I want to highlight:
“When you like someone you show it openly, but when you love someone you hold it back.”
“If the company promotes them, there is 0 chance that they are a real couple.”
“But if you just want to ship for fun and you are new to this shipping, +
“When you like someone you show it openly, but when you love someone you hold it back.”
“If the company promotes them, there is 0 chance that they are a real couple.”
“But if you just want to ship for fun and you are new to this shipping, +
then I encourage you to ship the ones the company promotes because that’s just easy for your life.”
“Pay attention to the ones where the company start to delete the videos about them.”
“This is something that is general for all kp0p stars. Real couples always hide.”
“Pay attention to the ones where the company start to delete the videos about them.”
“This is something that is general for all kp0p stars. Real couples always hide.”
“But if you start to feel like the two you are shipping and the company are hiding stuff, you can consider to ship them romantically.”
“Restriction doesn’t mean that they are real couple, but the real couple will have to be restricted.”
“When there is a pair who literally +
“Restriction doesn’t mean that they are real couple, but the real couple will have to be restricted.”
“When there is a pair who literally +
makes you feel sad shipping them [...] then something is really off and there is a good chance that they are real couple.”
“It takes a lot for the two to decide to be together: all the pressure coming from the society, the company, and family, and it takes even more for them +
“It takes a lot for the two to decide to be together: all the pressure coming from the society, the company, and family, and it takes even more for them +
to keep going.”
Well, “If the company promotes them, there is 0 chance that they are a real couple.”, I wouldn’t say 0 chance, because who knows, right? But the truth is that it is too risky.
Let’s think hypothetically: we have two members and they aren’t dating. And the +
Well, “If the company promotes them, there is 0 chance that they are a real couple.”, I wouldn’t say 0 chance, because who knows, right? But the truth is that it is too risky.
Let’s think hypothetically: we have two members and they aren’t dating. And the +
company starts to promote them, putting more attention on them. Suddenly, there is a dating “scandal” about them. In this case the company can easily say it’s false. However, if it’s a real couple who is been talked about, things get way riskier. Because even if the company +
denies them, they’re still a couple and if paparazzi or news companies start to dig even more into their relationship, the probability of them finding something is higher.
Now going back to. If they are really in a romantic relationship and that moment was supposed to be +
Now going back to
. If they are really in a romantic relationship and that moment was supposed to be +
just for them, why would B!g H!t promote it? Not to talk that it was a moment on stage and a not so subtle one.
So... that moment or any other moments like the Rose Bowl one can’t be used as proof of their romantic relationship.
So... that moment or any other moments like the Rose Bowl one can’t be used as proof of their romantic relationship.
One phrase: is ONE of the ships promoted by Big Hit.
This is the quote that every single supporter is afraid to post here or in any other social media app. Because if we do, we’re called antis, antis, delulus, clowns, not OT7 or not a real VRMYs.
is ONE of the ships promoted by Big Hit.This is the quote that every single
supporter is afraid to post here or in any other social media app. Because if we do, we’re called antis, antis, delulus, clowns, not OT7 or not a real VRMYs.
And why? Because we said that they are promoted by the company? Well, it’s the truth and the fact the Rose Bowl footage is being used in the trailer speaks for itself. Also if you want more examples, you can look for all the (song and dance) units and photo-shots has done +
has done +
together over the years. Saying this doesn’t mean ’s bond is less real or ’s bond is more real. Their bonds aren’t questionable, and who doesn’t see it doesn’t deserves the title of VRMY.
Also, when I say is promoted, it doesn’t mean “they are using to hide +
’s bond is less real or ’s bond is more real. Their bonds aren’t questionable, and who doesn’t see it doesn’t deserves the title of VRMY.Also, when I say
is promoted, it doesn’t mean “they are using to hide +
”. That’s absolutely bullsh!t. And although and are the two ships that make people question the type of relationship that exists there, B!g H!t wouldn’t use any of the 2 cover the real couple.The purpose of
being promoted is the same as any other ship that +
gets promoted by the company. We see more in official content published by B!g H!t because the relationship between those two is harmless to the company, in terms of image and financially.
If this was the other way around and someone said that a stage moment was fan +
in official content published by B!g H!t because the relationship between those two is harmless to the company, in terms of image and financially.If this was the other way around and someone said that a
stage moment was fan +
service, most supporters wouldn’t react in a negative way. Because we know does fan service as any other ship does.
If someone came up to me and said that a certain moment was fan service, I would accept that person’s opinion and continue with my life. However, +
supporters wouldn’t react in a negative way. Because we know does fan service as any other ship does.If someone came up to me and said that a certain moment was fan service, I would accept that person’s opinion and continue with my life. However, +
some supporters (and even some supporters sometimes) stay pressed at simple opinions like this one. And that for me is ridiculous, because we’re all VRMYs and we shouldn’t be against each other like this, whether we believe in the same thing or not.
supporters (and even some supporters sometimes) stay pressed at simple opinions like this one. And that for me is ridiculous, because we’re all VRMYs and we shouldn’t be against each other like this, whether we believe in the same thing or not.
If someone said every Anpanman, DNA or BWL moments were fan service, I would agree completely with them.
However, if someone said that the
sign during W!ngs Tour is fan service, I would disagree with them. But I wouldn’t call them names or saying they aren’t true VRMYs.
moments were fan service, I would agree completely with them.However, if someone said that the
sign during W!ngs Tour is fan service, I would disagree with them. But I wouldn’t call them names or saying they aren’t true VRMYs.
Everyone has their own opinion and I respect that.
Before talking about this, please watch a few minutes of this video (From the minute 01:35 to 12:23), there are English subtitles.
Before talking about this, please watch a few minutes of this video (From the minute 01:35 to 12:23), there are English subtitles.
So recapitulating what was going on there, ignoring the days for now, because it’s hard to figure out which day each footage belongs to, wasn’t feeling well during those 2 days and needed medical care during the concerts.
Going in a kind of chronological way, first we see +
wasn’t feeling well during those 2 days and needed medical care during the concerts.Going in a kind of chronological way, first we see +
entering a room with staff and he sits on a sofa, while he was taken care. While that happens is filmed inside a closet (he was sitting down and had a worry look on his face).After that they all went to the stage again to perform. And when they came back,
’s condition +
was getting worst. So this time they brought him to a smaller room where we can see medical staff, , 
, 
, 
and staff entering the room after . And we can see entering the same room, but in the next second, wasn’t there anymore. And in the next scene we see 
+
, , , and staff entering the room after . And we can see entering the same room, but in the next second, wasn’t there anymore. And in the next scene we see +
entering the room with everyone else inside except .
The medical staff said they were going to take his pants off, so everyone else left the room except and the cameraman.
NOTE: It’s not true that only family or partners are allowed to stay in these occasions. (Also this +
.The medical staff said they were going to take his pants off, so everyone else left the room except
and the cameraman.NOTE: It’s not true that only family or partners are allowed to stay in these occasions. (Also this +
wasn’t a normal situation, as it wasn’t in a hospital)
When left the room after getting treatment, we can see a shadow in the corridor. The person there standing waiting was , as we can see that he was wearing the same clothes he was wearing in day 2.
When
left the room after getting treatment, we can see a shadow in the corridor. The person there standing waiting was , as we can see that he was wearing the same clothes he was wearing in day 2.
The next scene we see is 875 in the artist’s room (I think this is how it’s called) to take the photo and guess what? In the first few seconds of the conversation, they were all wearing the clothes of day 1 and then BAM they were all changed to the day 2 clothes in just a second.
So here are my questions: Why did B!g H!t edited so much? Why did they combined the two days into one? Isn’t a friend as other members? Why did they put inside a closet? Why did leave the room after entering it? Where did go after leaving the room?
a friend as other members? Why did they put inside a closet? Why did leave the room after entering it? Where did go after leaving the room?
So many questions, but let’s continue.
After the concert, there was footage of them eating together while talking about’s incident. The interesting part here is that they all said something about it, but was the only one who kept silent. Why? He didn’t care about it?
After the concert, there was footage of them eating together while talking about
’s incident. The interesting part here is that they all said something about it, but was the only one who kept silent. Why? He didn’t care about it?
Impossible, all the members care about each other. Was he told not to say anything? Maybe...
After that 8urn Th3 Stag3 episode was released many VRMYs started to look for fan cameras of those days. And indeed we noticed that wasn’t feeling well and that he even almost +
After that 8urn Th3 Stag3 episode was released many VRMYs started to look for fan cameras of those days. And indeed we noticed that
wasn’t feeling well and that he even almost +
collapsed on stage.
But what we (specially supporters) also noticed was that was constantly checking on . And then the big deal here was what happened during the F!re performance.
As you know at the end of this performance bump into and end up it with their +
But what we (specially
supporters) also noticed was that was constantly checking on . And then the big deal here was what happened during the F!re performance.As you know at the end of this performance
bump into and end up it with their +
backs turned into each other.
But during that day didn’t do it, instead backed off and continued turned to , while he did the sign behind his back. Everything is okay, right? Nothing special, could be doing it just without any reason, right? Yes, he could, but +
But during that day
didn’t do it, instead backed off and continued turned to , while he did the sign behind his back. Everything is okay, right? Nothing special, could be doing it just without any reason, right? Yes, he could, but +
what happened next is what changes everything. bumped his hand against , as if was acknowledging the sign did. So why would do it? Because it was for him.
It took us months to discover this, so where’s the fan service here? In such subtle moment as this one?
bumped his hand against , as if was acknowledging the sign did. So why would do it? Because it was for him.It took us months to discover this, so where’s the fan service here? In such subtle moment as this one?
Another situation similar to this one was during the Br!ng The S0ul: The M0vie, when cut his foot while he was in the bathroom.
(I just wanna say everyone that said [even if it was in a joking way] that it was because were having s3x in the bathroom doesn’t deserve the +
cut his foot while he was in the bathroom.(I just wanna say everyone that said [even if it was in a joking way] that it was because
were having s3x in the bathroom doesn’t deserve the +
title of VRMY)
As it was deep cut, needed stitches, so they called a “local doctor”. was inside a small room, while everyone stayed outside waiting. Yes, with him there were also staffs, but the members and the cameras were all outside. And as soon we heard a +
As it was deep cut,
needed stitches, so they called a “local doctor”. was inside a small room, while everyone stayed outside waiting. Yes, with him there were also staffs, but the members and the cameras were all outside. And as soon we heard a +
scream from , all we see was (who was being filmed as well) and their bodyguard looking back and opening passage for to pass. was clearly worried and he rushed inside the room in such a serious and protective way. And as soon as enter that room, the scene gets cut.
, all we see was (who was being filmed as well) and their bodyguard looking back and opening passage for to pass. was clearly worried and he rushed inside the room in such a serious and protective way. And as soon as enter that room, the scene gets cut.
The last example I want to talk about is when ‘s dialogues aren’t translated in official content. And we just about some things say because K-VRMYs translate it for us.
‘s dialogues aren’t translated in official content. And we just about some things say because K-VRMYs translate it for us.
So the people who are saying that B!g H!t doesn’t cut moments probably aren’t living in the same universe as us. Because these three incidents prove otherwise.
I didn’t make this thread to prove one ship is superior than other. I just want VRMYs to be respectful and open +
moments probably aren’t living in the same universe as us. Because these three incidents prove otherwise.I didn’t make this thread to prove one ship is superior than other. I just want VRMYs to be respectful and open +
minded, whether you are into shipping or not. Everyone has their own opinion and this one is mine, I hope you respect my point view as I do for others ships. We are all the same family, there is much more important things than ships and we need to stick together, specially +
right now, and support 875 as one.
If you get until here, thank you for reading everything and once again I’m sorry for this long thread.
I purple you
If you get until here, thank you for reading everything and once again I’m sorry for this long thread.
I purple you
