Hello everyone I am home now it's time to to apologize to you all. I was one of the people who shared Squirrel Girl panels and made her popular enough to be given her own solo whose art kind of disgusts me. I tried. But now it's time to talk about fandom memes becoming reality.

Comic fandom memes are kind of fun because a bunch are pre-internet, so it's kind of interesting going back to see opinions and jokes that might be forgotten about or how they ended up spreading. We are going to laser focus in on one fandom.

Why the Legion? Cause they actually have the most material to look at and WERE DEDICATED. I mean it it's kind of crazy if you do research on them. They sometimes make the X-men fandom look sane and sometimes the X-men fandom makes them look sane.

They had their own consistent fan magazine and even, many became writers and a lot of ideas from them became cannon. Like the Language interlac became a thing. They don't have a letter for Hope oh well.

So yeah fan material became canon, as well as the implication that Element Lad was gay because he wore pink. This is both of it's time and ahead of it's time. To sum fan writers wrote in his girlfirend being trans and him being okay with it.

Of course there is arm fall off boy who was a letter page in joke for years. Till one day he showed up. He now slums it cracked articles about hey do can you believe this characters exists?

but Legion so much that it kind of deserves it's own thread so let's go over ones that popped up over the years. and how comics incorporated some of them. Goodbye Legion there is just too much to write on you.

Snowflame is a recent one more thanks to the Internet and some reviewer in a hat you might have heard who I may or may no be a rival too. He first showed up in New Guardians but no one read it till someone posted this on the internet.

He only ever showed up once but because of his meme status he became more well known from being something F-list to D-list and beyond. Honestly he's is the only reallllllllllyyyy good thing about the comic. It's kind of it's time.

If your on twitter you might notice he came back, and now we shall see what DC will do with him but he is not the only one and now I have to talk about him. A character who I do love but avoid talking about.

I have to talk about Deadpool in a serious manner and his history. I'm sorry but he has to come into this conversation but I will talk about precursors.

The most obvious precursors are of course She-hulk and Ambush Bug. I love there series but I will admit Ambush bug is harder on a modern audience who don't know the era. These books I feel are where Modern DP come from.

Anyway I recommend the Brave and the Bold episode on the character. It's what his comic is often more or less like and is a good finale to the show.

Deadpool was of course created for New mutants/X-force by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza. Originally planned by Rob as a stoic dude Fabian noticed the similarities with Deathstroke and wrote him as snarky.

This led him to get a mini and then a solo. The solo is where Modern Deadpool comes from more or less and is where you get what Deadpool is. His ongoing became a big cult internet thing and was how I GOT INTO HIM. Once again I'M SORRY!

Now historical context, I know some people ignore it. Deadpool was a different book on the market, he was an X-book that was funny. That was very important because honestly his book felt like a vacation for X-men fans. He was also no the standard new 90's hero so that helped.

I don't like to dunk on the 90's toooo much because I'm not some dude with a hat, but yeah being different mattered and Deadpool fans where for a bit the underdogs in the industry. Marvel didn't really always knew what to do with him.

With Internet culture becoming more well known Deadpool shot up and became a central Marvel figure that now we are all kind of sick of because of that one cosplaying douche at a con we have to tell TONNNNE IT DOWN!

I like Deadpool books and I feel like people forget he can be good so readings.
90's Ongoing
Cable and Deadpool
The Marvel now series
Spider-man and Deadpool
There there are your deadpool comics, uncanny x-force as well. These are the good ones.

But let's go over other things that became cannon. Iceman being gay was a fandom injoke for years honestly. It's mostly because you can read subtext into his 80's series and his plotline in Defenders. But I always viewed him as Bi and indecisive.

Frank Miller himself is a weirdly modern one. Come on give ME YOUR FRANK MILLER MEMES. You all probably have about 12. Which is the Age of Robin. This one is less Hatman and more the internet before it got into his review show.

Hal Jordan being a putz. I don't know how intentional this one is, but go back to the silver age and he gets knocked over all the time. I feel like this is more trying to give a personality that contrasts hard with others.

One that somehow backfired is Cyclops being a loser. A lot of modern writers hated the Pryor story in the X-factor comics and through a combination of bad writing and other factors Cyclops somehow got his MC status in the X-men back. Good for him.

Captain America speeches. This is something to note with comics fans how many of us have used speeches of Captain America to prove a point. Come on I did this myself raise your hands class.

Spider-man being a jokester is one to note here. This one happened gradullay over the years and modern stories basically have him the PG Deadpool more or less. Anytime someone says Spider-man can't be dark I want to die. Moving on.

Tony Stark is evil. This one comes from a combination of stuff building up over the years. Civil War, the 90s, and other stories. Keep in mind Stan meant for you to relate to him on some level and I feel like modern writers go too far. But Superior Ironman was solid.

Hulk Speak. Come on we all know this we can all write the hulk very easily. In Fact Peter David in his runs would make jokes about it.

the Silver age out of context. I both love and hate this because it made me actually track down and read things but I also hate how everyone acts Superman was like this all the time in the Silver age.

One of the reason while I'm not the biggest Grant Batman fan(the beginning is a little weak) I'm glad he made it okay to use Silver age concepts in Batman again without shame. Not all of it has been good but I'm glad we are looking beyond Miller.

and of course so it's comic fans have become creators and the jokes make it in. This has examples going back to the 60's with Roy Thomas being like "GOLDEN AGE HEROES ROCK AND I'M GOING TO BRING THEM BACK BITCHES" I'm sure what's what he said.

but of course I have to mention the guy who made the comic fandom as we know it now for better or for worse. Stan Lee.

I'm not here to talk about his CONTROVERSIES here with his artists. That will be something for later and honestly this thread is long enough. So I'm not ignoring them but I'm not going to talk about them.

Lee was a sales men and he sold the marvel universe as a community and so many running gags got their start
*no prize
*Nuff said
*Jack the King Kirby
and many more. He really did make modern comics fandom. Also I know Kirby hate's his gut but even Hardcore Kirby people use King.