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Gaby has me realizing that what JK is writing might be new to some people.
Maybe they think she is originating ideas. To trans folks, it sounds like she’s reciting the old
Old Testament - from a book written in 1979... https://twitter.com/gabydunn/status/1280608493100138496
Maybe they think she is originating ideas. To trans folks, it sounds like she’s reciting the old
Old Testament - from a book written in 1979... https://twitter.com/gabydunn/status/1280608493100138496
(CW assault, transphobia)
There hasn’t really been a new idea since Janice Raymond wrote The Transsexual Empire - The Making of a She Male 40 years ago.
So when we hear this stuff we are like yawn / hate speech. Same stuff on Twitter that happened via mail in the 70s.
There hasn’t really been a new idea since Janice Raymond wrote The Transsexual Empire - The Making of a She Male 40 years ago.
So when we hear this stuff we are like yawn / hate speech. Same stuff on Twitter that happened via mail in the 70s.
Sandy Stone is an 84 year old rad trans woman and musician/programmer.
This is her in the 70s, as an engineer at an all women feminist record network.
The collective knew she was trans before they hired her — but fans were pissed at the perceived deception.
This is her in the 70s, as an engineer at an all women feminist record network.
The collective knew she was trans before they hired her — but fans were pissed at the perceived deception.
There is a very good interview by @transadvocate that explains what happened here
http://radfem.transadvocate.com/sex-essentialist-violence-and-radical-inclusion-an-interview-with-sandy-stone/
But Janice Raymond in her book named Sandy Stone and doxxing began.
http://radfem.transadvocate.com/sex-essentialist-violence-and-radical-inclusion-an-interview-with-sandy-stone/
But Janice Raymond in her book named Sandy Stone and doxxing began.
And hate mail flowed in as people tried to cancel the collective/get Sandy removed.
Hate male w/ “very clear ideas of what constituted a “male” mix and a “female” mix — What it came down to was that “male” mixes had drums, which was linked back to “throbbing male energy.”
Hate male w/ “very clear ideas of what constituted a “male” mix and a “female” mix — What it came down to was that “male” mixes had drums, which was linked back to “throbbing male energy.”
They were doing all women music tours two decades before Lilith Fair. Hate mail said that if Sandy showed up in Seattle and armed radical feminist group called the Gorgons would kill her.
This was when every political movement was into guns/bombs and called army/front etc.
This was when every political movement was into guns/bombs and called army/front etc.
Janice wrote about Sandy’s mixing of music as an infiltration:
“As one woman wrote: "I feel raped when Olivia passes off Sandy ... as a real woman. After all his [sic] male privilege, is he [sic] going to cash in on lesbian feminist culture too?"
“As one woman wrote: "I feel raped when Olivia passes off Sandy ... as a real woman. After all his [sic] male privilege, is he [sic] going to cash in on lesbian feminist culture too?"
All of the other women in the collective were on Sandy’s side and published this defense in feminist publications:
The same arguments that trans women aren’t women existed then - just on paper. Boycotts were threatened. Sandy was canceled. She left Olivia and the music industry entirely — but that wasn’t good enough.
Janice Raymond wanted Sandy to take responsibility for dividing the community. Trans people KNOW this one. We are responsible for everyone’s feelings about us. Abusive parents, murdery partners, etc etc.
In Transsexual Empire Janice writes:
“All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves… Transsexuals merely cut off the most obvious means of invading women, so that they seem non-invasive."
“All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves… Transsexuals merely cut off the most obvious means of invading women, so that they seem non-invasive."
Our existence is rape, finding out that the mixers on the women’s record you liked was trans is retroactive rape, and drums is male throbs.
(I’m sick typing the word here but 70s white feminists used it to decribe everything — wait till you see what they did with the n-word)
(I’m sick typing the word here but 70s white feminists used it to decribe everything — wait till you see what they did with the n-word)
So Janice as a feminist bioethicist writes an entire book about transition. She also writes that invitro fertilization, reproductive drugs, and surrogacy as being anti-feminist — it hands reproductive power over to male doctors.
She also wrote a book against sex work and was as inflammatory against “sexual liberals” (feminists) as she was against transsexuals.
Like Olivia collective’s defense of Sandy, lots of feminists defended trans women, reproductive technology, and sex work.
Like Olivia collective’s defense of Sandy, lots of feminists defended trans women, reproductive technology, and sex work.
This got off paper publications and hate mail and in person at 1982s Barnard Conference on Sexuality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Barnard_Conference_on_Sexuality
Angry calls and letters had college officials confiscate the feminist books, feminists pickets each other.
Angry calls and letters had college officials confiscate the feminist books, feminists pickets each other.
Tweets were printed on T-Shirts.
This is the start of the feminist sex wars and the 2nd/3rd wave split.
“That feminist is not a feminist” and women telling women to listen to women has been going on for 40 years.
If you see a YAWN at “this woman doesn’t support women” it’s because it is an old manipulation.
“That feminist is not a feminist” and women telling women to listen to women has been going on for 40 years.
If you see a YAWN at “this woman doesn’t support women” it’s because it is an old manipulation.
JK Rowling does this A LOT in her writing and tweets. Feminists usually ignore it.
You see it in any ideology. Mostly only Christians are telling other Christians they aren’t Christians.
(And they do it a ton)
You see it in any ideology. Mostly only Christians are telling other Christians they aren’t Christians.
(And they do it a ton)
So in the 70s we have Sandy Stone and other trans women trying to figure shit out and Janice Raymond writes a whole ass book about them and the medical industry behind it but she doesn’t stop there.
In 1978 Congress created the National Center for Health Care Technology and they hired — medical ethicist Janice Raymond to evaluate /contribute on trans medical care. She wrote a book on it.
She’s not a doctor, she is a former nun and feminist, who called trans care rape.
She’s not a doctor, she is a former nun and feminist, who called trans care rape.
In 1981 the US Government denied trans care in Medicare and told third party insurers that it did not need to cover trans folks.
“The conclusion of the report was that transsexual medical care is ‘controversial’ and ‘must be considered experimental.”
(Same gov covered up AIDS)
“The conclusion of the report was that transsexual medical care is ‘controversial’ and ‘must be considered experimental.”
(Same gov covered up AIDS)
You are the EXACT same stuff reported by JK and the folks she retweets today. The medical care that is routine for us is — experimental and god knows what will happen?!
FOURTY YEARS after Janice’s book and 100 years after sexual reassignments in Europe.
FOURTY YEARS after Janice’s book and 100 years after sexual reassignments in Europe.
So by 1980 we have every argument against trans people existing fully formed.
We have deplatforming, death threats, doxxing, medical fears, firing, hate mail etc.
There hasn’t been a single new argument since that book.
We have deplatforming, death threats, doxxing, medical fears, firing, hate mail etc.
There hasn’t been a single new argument since that book.
In 1974 Minneapolis introduces the first municipal law allowing trans people to use the bathroom of their current gender and the bathroom predator myth is recorded in city council debates.
(BTW, ZERO abuses of that law in 46 years according to Minneapolis Police)
(BTW, ZERO abuses of that law in 46 years according to Minneapolis Police)
1980 is the last year a single anti-trans idea was thunk up. We’re tired of them being retread.
Imagine being Sandy Stone in her 30s and now hearing the same stuff at 84 - having experienced life as a woman much much longer than than she was perceived as male.
Imagine being Sandy Stone in her 30s and now hearing the same stuff at 84 - having experienced life as a woman much much longer than than she was perceived as male.
Sandy was outed publically by Janice, forced out of the music biz, and started programming computers in Santa Cruz.
She met Donna Harraway, a cultural theorist and feminist professor at UC Santa Cruz and they exchanged ideas.
Sandy, still affected by the bullying...
She met Donna Harraway, a cultural theorist and feminist professor at UC Santa Cruz and they exchanged ideas.
Sandy, still affected by the bullying...
INVENTED THE CLAP BACK!
In response to Raymond’s The Trans Sexual Empire sci fi geek Sandy wrote
The Empire Strikes Back: A Posttranssexual Manifesto https://www.them.us/story/genderations-sandy-stone
In response to Raymond’s The Trans Sexual Empire sci fi geek Sandy wrote
The Empire Strikes Back: A Posttranssexual Manifesto https://www.them.us/story/genderations-sandy-stone
While 1980 brought all that was written on trans criticism, trans/nb feminist theory was just getting started.
“celebrating its potential for ‘productive disruption of structured sexualities and spectra of desire.’”
“celebrating its potential for ‘productive disruption of structured sexualities and spectra of desire.’”
The woman in the feminist collective wrote feminism and we are seeing the disruptions she spoke of having positive effects everywhere.
The anti-trans, anti-sex work, anti reproductive technology white feminists have been replaced like 100 to 1 with intersectional feminists
The anti-trans, anti-sex work, anti reproductive technology white feminists have been replaced like 100 to 1 with intersectional feminists
I learned about Sandy Stone when I was asked to write a play about her, meanwhile Janice Raymond mostly spends a lot of time basically saying “that isn’t what a meant” and “I maybe shouldn’t have compared everything to rape” and — people have basically forgotten the womb book.
Meanwhile mountains of trans feminism has been written and history being compiled in docs like Disclosure and trans women are being allowed to make feminist art and trans men are writing about healthy masculinity and maleness and non binary folks are doing all the things.
And maybe people can realize that the deception was not in trans folks but the religious studies nun who held herself out as a medical bioethicist.
The Idaho based diabetes specialist JK retweets who criticizes trans people with language shelved in 1983
The Idaho based diabetes specialist JK retweets who criticizes trans people with language shelved in 1983
Or JK who writes books about a private school boy destined for greatness with zero intersectional lens while holding herself out as a feminist protecting Lesbians and Gay people — although she entirely erased them in her fiction.
No one wants to have “open debate” w/ the 70s.
No one wants to have “open debate” w/ the 70s.
No one wants to replay Janice Raymond v. Sandy Stone over and over with everyone who just now noticed trans people exist.
We’re not angry, we’re bored. We’re stir crazy. We’re staring at a blank wall.
We’re not angry, we’re bored. We’re stir crazy. We’re staring at a blank wall.
If you want to read more about trans feminism I LOVE Julia Serano’s Whipping Girl. It helped put me back together after anti-trans therapy:
https://g.co/kgs/kvs5df
She also responds quickly to the origin of tired debates @JuliaSerano
http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/?m=1
https://g.co/kgs/kvs5df
She also responds quickly to the origin of tired debates @JuliaSerano
http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/?m=1
@transadvocate researches and digitizes a lot of oral trans history and puts it into context.
http://theterfs.com kind of collects hold outs of Raymond era anti-trans ideologies that are still around and how they work with right wingers
http://theterfs.com kind of collects hold outs of Raymond era anti-trans ideologies that are still around and how they work with right wingers
