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Hm...YT is basically using a computer to identify other potential computers or âbotsâ. So, letâs think like a computer to solve this.
Computers do not make emotional decisions. To start an algorithm, you need to have a common denominator that is not based on emotion +
A thread. https://twitter.com/btbtbtsssssss_/status/1277793307603750912
Computers do not make emotional decisions. To start an algorithm, you need to have a common denominator that is not based on emotion +
A thread. https://twitter.com/btbtbtsssssss_/status/1277793307603750912
that common factor is the IP address. Every connected device has one. It all starts from that point.
The first consideration is how FAST are views coming from one ip.
The next consideration is how MANY views are coming from one ip. +
The first consideration is how FAST are views coming from one ip.
The next consideration is how MANY views are coming from one ip. +
The only thing we donât and wonât know is what is the trigger point for deletion, or simply put, how fast is too fast and how many is too many?
But we can make a VERY close estimate.
Letâs analyze it..how fast is too fast?
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But we can make a VERY close estimate.
Letâs analyze it..how fast is too fast?
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We know YT counts a view after 30 seconds, we also know the average length of a MV is approx. 3 min. A person would not normally watch a video back to back.
So, if you are looking for âabnormal behaviorâ any video repeats within a 6 to 10 min window would be suspicious +
So, if you are looking for âabnormal behaviorâ any video repeats within a 6 to 10 min window would be suspicious +
and TOO fast and probably trigger the view deletion. The time frame is doubled to account for the problematic b2b window.
That means for a 3.5 min video you could safely watch it about 6x an hour per ip.
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That means for a 3.5 min video you could safely watch it about 6x an hour per ip.
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Letâs look at history...we had about 1.3M people at ON preview... and got 10M views in about a 1.5 hrs. Why?
Accounting for the people who joined during the first hour that watch rate falls within the âsafeâ window.
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Accounting for the people who joined during the first hour that watch rate falls within the âsafeâ window.
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So the takeaway on how FAST? I would guess, 1 view every 2x the length of the video but a safe estimate is probably every 10 minutes to be safe.
Now, we advise ARMY of this EVERY cb. We tell people to watch other videos...the problem is back to the ip address. +
Now, we advise ARMY of this EVERY cb. We tell people to watch other videos...the problem is back to the ip address. +
If youâre using two devices on one ip, you think itâs ok to rotate views.
Watch on one device and then watch on the other...but itâs NOT OK because each view is on the same ip and the computer is reading it as b2b views.
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Watch on one device and then watch on the other...but itâs NOT OK because each view is on the same ip and the computer is reading it as b2b views.
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This problem compounds itself as the day goes on...
we get tired, we donât search for the video as often, we get frustrated with views freezing and not rising...
so we watch the video even MORE on our various devices. And guess what, deletion.
I have done it myself.
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we get tired, we donât search for the video as often, we get frustrated with views freezing and not rising...
so we watch the video even MORE on our various devices. And guess what, deletion.
I have done it myself.
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Solution: letâs get specific...1 watch every 10 minutes per ip address and account. Most of us have access to a cell phone AND WiFi. Thatâs two ip addresses.
If we maintain that we could average 5M an hour, easy.
The second algorithmic concern is how MANY views from an ip. +
If we maintain that we could average 5M an hour, easy.
The second algorithmic concern is how MANY views from an ip. +
The issue is really the same as the how FAST, the ip address.
Realistically, one ip address should not be generating more than 5 or 6 views per hour. Using the same criteria listed above.
More than that and youâre in the deletion zone.
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Realistically, one ip address should not be generating more than 5 or 6 views per hour. Using the same criteria listed above.
More than that and youâre in the deletion zone.
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Remember, computers are emotionless and So is this algorithm... it is based on data (numbers) not emotion.
It doesnât care how much we love BTS or that weâre a large fandom.
It cares about how many views are coming from your ip address..thatâs it.
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It doesnât care how much we love BTS or that weâre a large fandom.
It cares about how many views are coming from your ip address..thatâs it.
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We have addressed some aspects of these factors but maybe not as explicitly as needed. 
As simple as this sounds, all things being equal...we are just watching too much, too fast.
We break crap all the time and weâre breaking YT.
So letâs slow it down.
As simple as this sounds, all things being equal...we are just watching too much, too fast.
We break crap all the time and weâre breaking YT.
So letâs slow it down.
As a note:
Do I think there was manipulation and tricks going on with the other group/agency...yes.
But, right now, Iâm concerned about how we can make this better for us because we are getting eaten alive by YT and weâre working our tails off for BTS. +
Do I think there was manipulation and tricks going on with the other group/agency...yes.
But, right now, Iâm concerned about how we can make this better for us because we are getting eaten alive by YT and weâre working our tails off for BTS. +
I donât care about YT records, I think they have served their purpose for BTS.
But I care a lot about the lost streams that could help us chart better.
I also think we are the hardest working fandom out here, so this is not an insult to anyone.
But I care a lot about the lost streams that could help us chart better.
I also think we are the hardest working fandom out here, so this is not an insult to anyone.
My analysis may not be correct. But we gotta have these convos to figure this out.
Weâre all disappointed that weâre not getting fair play. But we canât be impulsive and emotional.
Ironically,they call us bots but weâre actually fighting a YT bot right now.
I think we can win.
Weâre all disappointed that weâre not getting fair play. But we canât be impulsive and emotional.
Ironically,they call us bots but weâre actually fighting a YT bot right now.
I think we can win.
