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Brother @TheAynGhayn has responded to my thread regarding my analysis of 9:100.
Inshallah, I will respond to what he has presented in the following thread.
[Thread] https://twitter.com/theaynghayn/status/1276693312586625032
Inshallah, I will respond to what he has presented in the following thread.
[Thread] https://twitter.com/theaynghayn/status/1276693312586625032
I will begin with point #2 here as #1 is directed towards a Sunni audience. https://twitter.com/theaynghayn/status/1276693332727652353
1) The brother has responded saying me using 2:121 to compare 9:100 is not possible, because 2:121 also mentions disbelievers in addition to believers.
While 9:100 mentions believers only.
While I will address this statement in this thread, I will first bring a verse
While 9:100 mentions believers only.
While I will address this statement in this thread, I will first bring a verse
That makes a similar generalization to 9:100 - without making mention of disbelievers.
And these verses are 17:107-109
And these verses are 17:107-109
These verses are regarding a certain people:
“Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]”
Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran
![These verses are regarding a certain people: “Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]” Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbfrSCRXQAEIxTY.jpg "These verses are regarding a certain people: “Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]” Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran")
![These verses are regarding a certain people: “Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]” Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbfrSCRX0AAdj6m.jpg "These verses are regarding a certain people: “Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]” Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran")
![These verses are regarding a certain people: “Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]” Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbfrSCYXkAMfbkz.jpg "These verses are regarding a certain people: “Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]” Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran")
“Those who were given knowledge before it [before the Quran was revealed]”
Which according to Sunni classical sources refer to the Ahl al-Kitab, since it is they to whom divine knowledge was revealed to before the Quran
(The tafasir showed above after the verse are Tabari & Ibn Kathir)
Now what does God say about these Ahl al-Kitab?
When the Quran is recited to them, they:
(1) Fall upon their faces in prostration
(2) Say, “Exalted is our Lord! Indeed the promise of our Lord has been
Now what does God say about these Ahl al-Kitab?
When the Quran is recited to them, they:
(1) Fall upon their faces in prostration
(2) Say, “Exalted is our Lord! Indeed the promise of our Lord has been
Has been fulfilled.
(3) They fall upon their faces weeping, and the Qur’an increases them in humble submission.
(3) They fall upon their faces weeping, and the Qur’an increases them in humble submission.
Before ascertaining if these verses are a generalization to Ahl -Kitab having such piety and belief, we have to see if the siyaq (verses before & after) refers or doesn’t refer to the disbelievers among them.
17:107 tells the people (will clarify who they are exactly in the following tweet) to believe in it or not believe.
“It” of course being the Quran as 17:106 clarifies which the Prophet read on the people.
Now, we have to remember that Surat al-Israa’ is a Meccan surah
“It” of course being the Quran as 17:106 clarifies which the Prophet read on the people.
Now, we have to remember that Surat al-Israa’ is a Meccan surah
There was no known Jewish presence in Mecca at the time of the Prophet. One he interacted with at least.
So, the Prophet reading the Quran on the people means that 7:107 is referring to the Meccan polytheists in particular. The kuffar the Prophet recited the Quran to, and whom
So, the Prophet reading the Quran on the people means that 7:107 is referring to the Meccan polytheists in particular. The kuffar the Prophet recited the Quran to, and whom
And whom saw the Jews in great status. That is why Allah has so many tales about Bani Israel in Surat al-Israa’.
And why the testimony of Bani Israel acts as hujja to a portion of mushrikeen, as 26:197 clarifies.
And why the testimony of Bani Israel acts as hujja to a portion of mushrikeen, as 26:197 clarifies.
And why the mushrikeen took questions from the Jews to ask the Prophet in Surat al-Kahf (asking the Prophet questions about number of Ahl al-Kahf, Dhul Qarnayn, etc).
So now it is evident to us that “Believe or do not believe” refers to the Meccan mushrikeen, not the Jews.
So now it is evident to us that “Believe or do not believe” refers to the Meccan mushrikeen, not the Jews.
What about verses after 17:107-109?
17:110 is in reference to the mushrikeen,
“When it is said to them, "Prostrate to the Most Merciful," they say, "And what is the Most Merciful? Should we prostrate to that which you order us?" And it increases them in aversion.” (25:60)
17:110 is in reference to the mushrikeen,
“When it is said to them, "Prostrate to the Most Merciful," they say, "And what is the Most Merciful? Should we prostrate to that which you order us?" And it increases them in aversion.” (25:60)
17:111 also refers to the mushrikeen.
And the portion لم يتخذ ولدا refers to the angels worshipped by the mushrikeen, as Ibn Kathir clarifies in his interpretation of 21:26.
And the portion لم يتخذ ولدا refers to the angels worshipped by the mushrikeen, as Ibn Kathir clarifies in his interpretation of 21:26.
CLARIFICATION:
The Meccans took questions from Jews outside of Mecca. https://twitter.com/andaluso24/status/1276752992365142016
The Meccans took questions from Jews outside of Mecca. https://twitter.com/andaluso24/status/1276752992365142016
𝑫𝒐 𝑨𝒍𝒍 𝑨𝒉𝒍 𝒂𝒍-𝑲𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒃 𝒉𝒂𝒗𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒑𝒊𝒆𝒕𝒚?
Now, that we’ve ascertained 17:107-109 make a generalization on Ahl al-Kitab, without referring to disbelievers among them.
Do all Ahl al-Kitab fall into prostration, humble submission, and recognize God’s
Now, that we’ve ascertained 17:107-109 make a generalization on Ahl al-Kitab, without referring to disbelievers among them.
Do all Ahl al-Kitab fall into prostration, humble submission, and recognize God’s
God’s revelation when it is revealed to them?
Definitely not.
Portions of them have:
1) Only accepted parts of the Quran that suit them
2) Refused to acknowledge prophet Muhammad until he brings them a miracle prophesied in the Torah
3) Many of them avert from the
Definitely not.
Portions of them have:
1) Only accepted parts of the Quran that suit them
2) Refused to acknowledge prophet Muhammad until he brings them a miracle prophesied in the Torah
3) Many of them avert from the
Avert from the way of Allah.
So 17:107-109 cannot refer to all of the Ahl al-Kitab, nor all of their scholars.
So 17:107-109 cannot refer to all of the Ahl al-Kitab, nor all of their scholars.
And so this is what I think regarding the idea mentioned by the brother in which God always clarifies the disbelievers when he makes a generalization of a people as righteous.
Now, I will say what I think regarding the comments he‘s made on my points about 2:121
Now, I will say what I think regarding the comments he‘s made on my points about 2:121
𝑺𝒆𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒅 𝒑𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒕
And now, the brother’s second point which is regarding 2:121
And now, the brother’s second point which is regarding 2:121
Sorry have to brb.
Ok! Back.
Will continue answering the brother’s questions now.
Why is it necessarily ones who do not recite the Book in its true recital are:
(1) Following their desires
(2) Disbelievers
Will continue answering the brother’s questions now.
Why is it necessarily ones who do not recite the Book in its true recital are:
(1) Following their desires
(2) Disbelievers
Is it possible for Jews to follow their desires which has nothing related to reciting their book in true recital?
Yes there is!
What they claimed / slandered about Mary is also a form of desire the Jews followed that is unrelated to their recital to the book honestly and fully.
What they claimed / slandered about Mary is also a form of desire the Jews followed that is unrelated to their recital to the book honestly and fully.
Their belief that Abraham is a Jew is also from their own desires & reasoning unrelated to their recital of the Torah.
So 2:120, as cited by the brother, criticizing the Jews following their own desires not necesarily related to 2:121 in which God describing Jews reciting their book in true recital.
(2) Does “whoever disbelieves in it” in 2:121 necessarily refer to the who don’t recite the Book truthfully?
No. The Jewish scholars *hid* God’s commandments, it doesn’t mean they necessarily disbelieve in it.
No. The Jewish scholars *hid* God’s commandments, it doesn’t mean they necessarily disbelieve in it.
Let’s focus on the verse closer.
“They believe in it”, who is they?
“Those to whom We have given the Book” - Ahl al-Kitab
It is not referring to only the ones who recite the Book in its true recital as the ones whom believe in it.
But referring to the Ahl al-Kitab in
“They believe in it”, who is they?
“Those to whom We have given the Book” - Ahl al-Kitab
It is not referring to only the ones who recite the Book in its true recital as the ones whom believe in it.
But referring to the Ahl al-Kitab in
In general, while emphasizing the merit of those among them who recite the Book in its true recital.
Similarly, 8:74 refers to those who believed, migrated, and did jihad (Muhajireen) & those who gave shelter & aided (Ansar) as “they who are believers truly”.
Similarly, 8:74 refers to those who believed, migrated, and did jihad (Muhajireen) & those who gave shelter & aided (Ansar) as “they who are believers truly”.
But is true belief limited to only Mu’mineen with those traits? (migration, jihad, sheltering, aiding)?
Definitely not.
In 4:98-4:99, God gives the Mu’mineen who could not migrate nor fight an exception.
And in 8:72, he recognizes them as ‘believers’.
Definitely not.
In 4:98-4:99, God gives the Mu’mineen who could not migrate nor fight an exception.
And in 8:72, he recognizes them as ‘believers’.
So, the emphasis in 8:74 is “those who believe”. Traits like migration, jihad, etc is not necessary to be among Allah considers true believers. Even if these traits are a requirement.
Sumilarly in 2:121, the emphasis is on Ahl al-Kitab. Traits like truly reciting the Book is
Sumilarly in 2:121, the emphasis is on Ahl al-Kitab. Traits like truly reciting the Book is
Is not necessary to be considered a true believer.
𝑾𝒉𝒐 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑩𝒐𝒐𝒌 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒏?
The answer to that lies in the following verse:
“Indeed, who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything.”
![𝑾𝒉𝒐 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑩𝒐𝒐𝒌 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒏?The answer to that lies in the following verse: “Indeed, who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything.”](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgJ4kPWsAEksLM.jpg "𝑾𝒉𝒐 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑩𝒐𝒐𝒌 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒏?The answer to that lies in the following verse: “Indeed, who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything.”")
![𝑾𝒉𝒐 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑩𝒐𝒐𝒌 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒏?The answer to that lies in the following verse: “Indeed, who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything.”](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgJ4kSXgAEUSkA.jpg "𝑾𝒉𝒐 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑩𝒐𝒐𝒌 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒏?The answer to that lies in the following verse: “Indeed, who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything.”")
The answer to that lies in the following verse:
“Indeed, who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything.”
The word ‘sects’ is a very rough translation.
Shiya’an شيعاً is more like they’ve developed their own independent beliefs away from God’s book. Such that they are no longer ‘Jews’ or ‘Christians’.
Such as when the Jews adopted Arabian polytheistic idols:
Shiya’an شيعاً is more like they’ve developed their own independent beliefs away from God’s book. Such that they are no longer ‘Jews’ or ‘Christians’.
Such as when the Jews adopted Arabian polytheistic idols:
https://twitter.com/andaluso24/status/1194637177432338436?s=21 https://twitter.com/andaluso24/status/1194637177432338436
These kind of ‘sects’ disbelieve in the Book, because they have developed a religion essentially that originates from Judaism but ultimately isn’t.
So 2:121 would be analogous to for example saying,
“The Muslims recite the Quran in its true recital. They are believers in it
So 2:121 would be analogous to for example saying,
“The Muslims recite the Quran in its true recital. They are believers in it
And whomever disbelieves in it (like the Qadianis, a splinter religion) it is they who are losers”
𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒏𝒆𝒔 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒊𝒕
Another thing we have to closely inspect in 2:121 is the portion which says,
“[are ones who believe in it]”
This is not in the verse but merely commentary by the translator.
The verse merely says “They believe in it”
![𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒏𝒆𝒔 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒊𝒕Another thing we have to closely inspect in 2:121 is the portion which says, “[are ones who believe in it]” This is not in the verse but merely commentary by the translator. The verse merely says “They believe in it”](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgM8FHWoAAIcv8.jpg "𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒏𝒆𝒔 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒃𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒆𝒗𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒊𝒕Another thing we have to closely inspect in 2:121 is the portion which says, “[are ones who believe in it]” This is not in the verse but merely commentary by the translator. The verse merely says “They believe in it”")
Another thing we have to closely inspect in 2:121 is the portion which says,
“[are ones who believe in it]”
This is not in the verse but merely commentary by the translator.
The verse merely says “They believe in it”
Sorry, “Those believe in it”.
Those referring to Ahl al-Kitab - and it is generalizing them to be reciting the Book in its true recital.
Those referring to Ahl al-Kitab - and it is generalizing them to be reciting the Book in its true recital.
Ok, I believe I’ve written too much for one thread 
Inshallah, I’ve analyzed this from every angle. But will continue responding to the brother in another thread inshallah so as to not overwhelm the reader.
The thread will focus on the brother’s points from #3 onwards
Inshallah, I’ve analyzed this from every angle. But will continue responding to the brother in another thread inshallah so as to not overwhelm the reader.
The thread will focus on the brother’s points from #3 onwards
Finally, I will end my thread by saying that.
If God considered the Ahl al-Kitab to be disbelievers for not reciting his Book in its true recital.
He would not entrust their rabbis & scholars with implementing it.
Wa salaam
Hope this helps brother @TheAynGhayn !
If God considered the Ahl al-Kitab to be disbelievers for not reciting his Book in its true recital.
He would not entrust their rabbis & scholars with implementing it.
Wa salaam
Hope this helps brother @TheAynGhayn !
And inshallah in my next thread later, I will continue to respond to your points :)
