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I attended a seminar training to help families who have a transgender member of the family, because a 12 year old child was involved, I have changed the names.
I believe mentally unstable parents and unhealthy family dynamics are further destabilised by transgender ideology
I believe mentally unstable parents and unhealthy family dynamics are further destabilised by transgender ideology
and they are forming their own cultic groups to spread the ideology capturing children across family and friend networks, or certainly this is what this video call demonstrated.
On the other hand, adult children who identify as non-binary, are terrorising their parents as if
On the other hand, adult children who identify as non-binary, are terrorising their parents as if
they are members of the Hitler Youth.
A 30 year old woman, who has been taking testosterone for the last ten years, ran the training session. Let’s call her Toni. During the first half of the session, Toni made all the run-of-the-mill points I have typically seen in a training
A 30 year old woman, who has been taking testosterone for the last ten years, ran the training session. Let’s call her Toni. During the first half of the session, Toni made all the run-of-the-mill points I have typically seen in a training
seminar on transgender issues.
Where it differed though was how Toni spoke about the ‘transition’ of children, where normally this issue is rushed over. Toni was noticeably more animated when it came to this subject. She had been talking through the slides in a relaxed
Where it differed though was how Toni spoke about the ‘transition’ of children, where normally this issue is rushed over. Toni was noticeably more animated when it came to this subject. She had been talking through the slides in a relaxed
moderate tone, but then became slightly breathless, speaking slightly faster, eyes widening.
Toni said despite what anti-transgender activists say children under the age of 10 don’t medically transition or have surgery.
Toni said despite what anti-transgender activists say children under the age of 10 don’t medically transition or have surgery.
Toni said that there was a ton of misinformation spread about puberty blockers. She said that GnRH analogues/puberty blockers do not cause long term harm to teens and that if a teen changes their mind there will be no long term damage and the effects were fully reversible.
Toni said the criteria kids have to meet before they can start puberty blockers was very high, and needed parental consent and assessments. Indeed she felt that they bought many benefits to mental health and *eliminated the need for future surgeries*.
Toni said that she was friends with a 12 year old trans boy (the girl who later appeared in the video call) who was on puberty blockers and she was so happy about that as ‘he won’t have to worry about surgery’ and that it was a ‘really nice benefit’.
Toni spoke further about child development, stating that she had known she was a boy from around the age of 7. The child must be ‘insistent, persistent and consistent’ and therefore did not apply, for example, to boys who occasionally played with dolls, or girls who liked
climbing trees (which sounds very reasonable, doesn’t it?).
However, the rate of suicide for transgender youth was very high, at least 43% attempt suicide, if parents were supportive that figure dropped dramatically by 93%.
However, the rate of suicide for transgender youth was very high, at least 43% attempt suicide, if parents were supportive that figure dropped dramatically by 93%.
Toni recommended people use internet searches for more information but to only click on sites which were reputable LGBT sites like HRC, PFLAG and Planned Parenthood.
Toni wanted money via a PayPal account for the hour that she had spent explaining all the bog standard stuff
Toni wanted money via a PayPal account for the hour that she had spent explaining all the bog standard stuff
any LGBT person will now tell you without even asking or that you can download from any LGBT site.
The Q&A was where things really kicked off. Toni revealed her parents were on the call and were available to answer any questions.
The first question came from Liza who had a
The Q&A was where things really kicked off. Toni revealed her parents were on the call and were available to answer any questions.
The first question came from Liza who had a
27 year old daughter who identifies as non-binary and is demanding that her mother use ‘he/him’ to describe her. Liza found this difficult as her daughter hadn’t made any physical adjustments and didn’t look very masculine at all.
Oh, said Toni, just keep trying! It means so much to us when we hear our correct pronoun, especially from parents.
A woman, who I’ll call Blue Hair, interrupted to introduce herself as non-binary. She had blue hair and wore a small vest which revealed rather large breasts.
A woman, who I’ll call Blue Hair, interrupted to introduce herself as non-binary. She had blue hair and wore a small vest which revealed rather large breasts.
She was sat on the sofa, whilst her mom sat on the floor often craning her neck to look over at her over-sized chick subserviently. Blue Hair offered to give her expert opinion on all matters non-binary.
Joanne, likely in her 60s, said her child was non-binary. She’d noticed
Joanne, likely in her 60s, said her child was non-binary. She’d noticed
that in them as a small child. She said her child ‘liked to switch between the two’ and that she was fully supportive and they had a good relationship. She had no specific question whatsoever, yet Toni invited her parents to give some advice.
Toni’s Dad said he couldn’t give
Toni’s Dad said he couldn’t give
any advice since Toni had identified as male (Toni’s Mum said next to nothing the whole time and had the face of a whipped dog the entire time). Toni was sent to a private school to stop herself from self-harming.
Toni’s Dad then admitted that he was friends with another
Toni’s Dad then admitted that he was friends with another
participant on the call - Mario, who he knew very well and for a very long time.
Mario, and his wife (who never uttered a single syllable), have a 12 yo daughter called Ben, who had come out 4-5 years ago, and that Toni and Toni’s Dad had been supportive throughout that time.
Mario, and his wife (who never uttered a single syllable), have a 12 yo daughter called Ben, who had come out 4-5 years ago, and that Toni and Toni’s Dad had been supportive throughout that time.
Ben currently had a puberty blocking microchip inserted into her arm. Mario wanted to know when would Ben’s voice drop.
Toni said that puberty blockers were used in sync with peers, and that his daughter’s voice would only start to drop when she starts testosterone around 17/18,
Toni said that puberty blockers were used in sync with peers, and that his daughter’s voice would only start to drop when she starts testosterone around 17/18,
but that most boys voices don’t drop until about 16, so Ben wouldn’t be far behind. The younger a person starts transition the better, otherwise the process takes longer.
(In fact voice breaking normally starts around 12-14, therefore Ben will be in pre-pubertal state when
(In fact voice breaking normally starts around 12-14, therefore Ben will be in pre-pubertal state when
both male and female peers will be developing.)
Someone had a question about how to handle other family members. Toni’s Mum spoke for the only time on the call, with occasional prompts from her husband whilst she spoke.
Toni’s Dad said that he had helped many of Toni’s
Someone had a question about how to handle other family members. Toni’s Mum spoke for the only time on the call, with occasional prompts from her husband whilst she spoke.
Toni’s Dad said that he had helped many of Toni’s
friends over the years who faced parental rejection. In fact Toni’s Dad spoke far more than Toni did. We learnt that he had a previous marriage and kids from that and lots of details about Toni’s teenage years. He really dominated.
It then occurred to me that normally it is
It then occurred to me that normally it is
mothers who are über-involved with the transing of their children, but here were two fathers who were the main actors.
Mario was concerned about the decision of the Trump administration to ‘take away trans rights’ and wanted to know exactly what had happened and why from Toni
Mario was concerned about the decision of the Trump administration to ‘take away trans rights’ and wanted to know exactly what had happened and why from Toni
(one got the sense Mario wanted to show solidarity to Toni after Toni’s Dad had taken over the video call).
Toni admitted that she didn’t follow politics at all and had no idea what was going on in the wider world by the sound of things (this is cultic behaviour - fear of the.
Toni admitted that she didn’t follow politics at all and had no idea what was going on in the wider world by the sound of things (this is cultic behaviour - fear of the.
outside world.
Mario wanted to know about dating. What age could Ben [his daughter] start dating?
Toni responded that lots of parents had concerns about dating, but that things were shifting and that in a big city there weren’t too many problems, certainly Toni hadn’t and was
Mario wanted to know about dating. What age could Ben [his daughter] start dating?
Toni responded that lots of parents had concerns about dating, but that things were shifting and that in a big city there weren’t too many problems, certainly Toni hadn’t and was
due to marry Robyn soon.
Yet another woman looking quite senior in years, who was sat with her husband, said her daughter had been saying ‘I want to be a boy’ from aged 3 consistently. She was pleased that Toni had mentioned ‘insistent, persistence, consistent’ and that it had
Yet another woman looking quite senior in years, who was sat with her husband, said her daughter had been saying ‘I want to be a boy’ from aged 3 consistently. She was pleased that Toni had mentioned ‘insistent, persistence, consistent’ and that it had
helped her a lot.
This struck me as a completely mendacious thing to say and was she was a plant?
Blue Hair wanted to share that she had only realised she was non-binary aged 18 and that it was constant unfolding process. Her Grandma found it difficult to say they/them,
This struck me as a completely mendacious thing to say and was she was a plant?
Blue Hair wanted to share that she had only realised she was non-binary aged 18 and that it was constant unfolding process. Her Grandma found it difficult to say they/them,
but Blue Hair was being very generous because she knew it was difficult for older people. Blue Hair’s mother spoke to say that she thought the fact her sister was a lesbian had helped Blue Hair find herself.
Toni then admitted that she also had a cousin who was transgender,
Toni then admitted that she also had a cousin who was transgender,
who had come out several years ago.
When Mario started talking again, his 12 yo daughter had been dragged reluctantly onto the video call. Mario told us that Ben had transitioned when she was 8 years old and had been on puberty blockers for a year. They had been living in SF
When Mario started talking again, his 12 yo daughter had been dragged reluctantly onto the video call. Mario told us that Ben had transitioned when she was 8 years old and had been on puberty blockers for a year. They had been living in SF
for a year, having moved from the South and had good support for Ben at school.
Mario said that Ben was worried she was going to lose her hair when she started to take testosterone. Toni’s Dad responded that Toni took more after his father in terms of his male pattern baldness
Mario said that Ben was worried she was going to lose her hair when she started to take testosterone. Toni’s Dad responded that Toni took more after his father in terms of his male pattern baldness
and Toni said that she shaved her own hair, did not have much up top, but the rest was still thick.
‘Both your grandparents are bald, so you’re going to be bald,’ Mario told Ben. Her poor face said it all and even with her dad’s arm wrapped around her, she pulled slightly
‘Both your grandparents are bald, so you’re going to be bald,’ Mario told Ben. Her poor face said it all and even with her dad’s arm wrapped around her, she pulled slightly
away and made a face.
‘It’s easier to brush your hair,’ was Toni’s unironic assurance.
Blue Hair, in her role as NB expert, wanted everyone to know that Etsy had a lot of queer merchandise that can help support you in being TG/NB, including pronoun badges and the like.
‘It’s easier to brush your hair,’ was Toni’s unironic assurance.
Blue Hair, in her role as NB expert, wanted everyone to know that Etsy had a lot of queer merchandise that can help support you in being TG/NB, including pronoun badges and the like.
A woman on the call had a cousin who had identified as a lesbian but was now transitioning medically but wanted to have they/them pronouns, as she identified as gender fluid. Younger children in the family could not understand this and kept on calling the woman he/him
(presumably because T was doing its thing).
Blue Hair said it was a fine line between being okay about being misgendered to make things easier, and understood people found it to difficult to remember, and to keep your own self-integrity. I thought Blue Hair was being
Blue Hair said it was a fine line between being okay about being misgendered to make things easier, and understood people found it to difficult to remember, and to keep your own self-integrity. I thought Blue Hair was being
reasonable but she then said that the exhaustion of being misgendered made her want to rip her own skin off.
Back to the 12 year old girl. Mario informed us that Ben had written a letter to her Principal to inform them that she was transgender and then had spoken in front of
Back to the 12 year old girl. Mario informed us that Ben had written a letter to her Principal to inform them that she was transgender and then had spoken in front of
about 70 pupils at her school to inform them. Ben seemed a naturally shy personality so I didn’t buy this at all.
Toni’s Dad said that Toni had recently gone back to a school reunion and that she was welcomed with open arms.
Toni’s Dad asked Ben about what the bathroom set up
Toni’s Dad said that Toni had recently gone back to a school reunion and that she was welcomed with open arms.
Toni’s Dad asked Ben about what the bathroom set up
was like at her school because Toni complains about bathrooms all the time.
Ben said that she was made very uncomfortable by one boy who kept on following her into the toilets because she needed to use the stall. Toni’s Dad said that Toni had given a speech at her old school
Ben said that she was made very uncomfortable by one boy who kept on following her into the toilets because she needed to use the stall. Toni’s Dad said that Toni had given a speech at her old school
about bathrooms and thought that the bathroom set-up had changed after, but Toni said she wasn’t aware of that. Toni’s Dad said that it was a big problem for Toni wherever she had worked and effectively reminded both Toni and Ben they can’t pee standing up and never would.
Mario was hugging Ben close, rubbing her back and ruffling her hair during this conversation and said that if you live in a big city it isn’t a problem. Toni’s Dad told everyone again that he and Mario knew each other and detailed exactly how.
Blue Hair told Ben that she should
Blue Hair told Ben that she should
get a petition going so that she could have access to a gender neutral bathroom.
Mario responded that Ben just wanted as normal life as possible.
‘It’s just one of those things, it’s just one of those things,’ Toni’s Dad said sadly.
Toni told Ben that she understood her fear
Mario responded that Ben just wanted as normal life as possible.
‘It’s just one of those things, it’s just one of those things,’ Toni’s Dad said sadly.
Toni told Ben that she understood her fear
and intimidation, but that in all her time using male bathrooms she had never had any problems, and no one had ever stopped her and asked her why she was using a stall and told Ben not to worry.
Then time had pretty much ran out so the discussion stopped quite suddenly, but as
Then time had pretty much ran out so the discussion stopped quite suddenly, but as
the call closed there appeared to be man in their late 40s smiling into the camera, who I expect really was a woman who had taken testosterone due to the ravaged look so typical of those who do.
I saw them only briefly but I can’t be sure, but what were they doing there? Who were all the people on the call and how many were known to each other? What if you were the one parent who really had genuine questions and stumbled in upon this?
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