Titans has had the effect on Batman v Superman for me that Alien: Covenant had for Prometheus.

Titans is so bad it makes me love Batman v Superman and forgive the things I've bitched about for years because it somehow found ways to do the same dumb choices even worse.

It's still nowhere near my ideal view of the DC Universe, but when I remove myself and look at it as an elseworlds story and remind myself of how much worse some of these ideas are handled on Titans I enjoy it a whole helluva lot more.

I hate propping one thing up by putting another thing down but I'm just being honest.

Like when you look at it this Superman is more detached and more J'onn J'onnz esque than he should be. And this Batman is obviously a murderer and lost his way. Snyder's whole thing should be viewed as an alternate reality within the main DCEU.

And as far as Elseworlds go it's FAR from a Kingdom Come but also isn't sacrilege like All-Star Batman & Robin.

All that said Superman only has a handful of scenes from his OWN perspective in Dawn of Justice. Mainly it's from Luthor, Lois, the public, and most importantly BATMAN

And this is a Batman that not has just lost his way, but is unstable within the context of the story. Again, not full Frank Miller All-Star insane, but he's still off his rocker.

In Man of Steel, Superman is let's slay *slightly more detached than he would usually be portrayed in the main continuity. In Man of Steel he feels much more like he does in Earth One Vol. 1. Someone who's detachment is his driving conflict, and the burden of being our...

protector only enhances that conflict.

Whereas the Superman that I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER's conflict is that the burden will lead to his detachment. This is why I say he's more in line with a Martian Manhunter type.

He's trying to be more human (outside of his relationships with his Mother, Lois, and nature). And as an Elseworld, I can accept that. As a "true" version of Superman I can't and never will. But as an Elseworld continuity I can roll with it.

In Man of Steel we understand his...

humanity and the mistakes he makes. Because we are the audience.

Who doesn't have the audience's perspective? Our unstable Batman.

So it makes perfect sense that Superman is completely non human and aggressive in BvS (again minus the handful of scenes by himself/with Lois)

because we're seeing it through the eyes of someone who's reality doesn't fucking line up anymore. The story of BvS is Batman GAINING the audience's perspective. The whole movie is about Batman catching up to where we are thanks to the last movie.

Even the Martha scene makes sense when you look at it through the view of someone who's lost it. Of course his reasoning for seeing his wrongdoings would be backwards ass and tenuous and stuck in a random moment.

I still think the way Affleck plays that moment ruins intention. The cartoonish looking around to no one and the confusion is just the wrong tone. I actually like his performance overall but that scene does not work and is the main reason why the scene is funny and doesn't work

But on a broad sense all that tracks for me. Batman's journey is not only finding his former morality, but finding his sanity again, and gaining the perspective that the audience already has.

The larger problem with the film is that it should have been about JUST THAT BY ITSELF.

You didn't need the Knightmare scene.

You didn't need Wonder Woman.

You didn't need the Justice League cameos.

You didn't need Doomsday.

You didn't even need Lex Luthor.

An alternative Bruce Wayne gaining the audience's perspective and learning how human this (also alternative) Superman is would have been enough to tell a solid and profound Batman vs. Superman story.

The set up for the future of the universe and more importantly the plot's split focus dilutes that great idea.

The film (extended cut mainly) has great scenes and interesting ideas that come straight from the New 52 and classic Elseworlds stories. But the movie never has time to

focus on that as much as it needs to. I've shit on Dawn of Justice a lot since it came out and I don't take any of that back, but I get what the film was trying to do now and enjoy it more now than I ever did.

I'm hoping when the #SnyderCut is released this elseworlds take on everything can become clearer and more streamlined like it was in MoS.

I don't like hating shit. Especially DC stuff. I've read and watched this shit religiously since I was 8. From all eras.

I just think there are some fundamental flaws with the Snyder contingent of stories, ya know?

Like I said I think I appreciate this shit a lot more now because of Titans. Especially Dick Grayson on a double front. One because I WAS enjoying HIS redemptive arc from being a killer but hated how it ended in season 2.

It made me appreciate Batfleck way more and rethink it.

However, like I said I do think Batfleck is diluted by the overstuffed plot.

I know every version of a character is someone's favorite so y'all #ReleaseTheSnyderCut nutswingers and/or #Titans fans (and detractors alike) who aren't looking to pick a fight and have actually READ the comics not just recent shit and DKR but a wide net of DC shit I'd love.....

anyone's thoughts.

I apologize for how long this thread is and it most likely reading like a madman's rambling but hey if leads to some good conversation then all the better for it.

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