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๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ต'๐ ๐๐ผ๐๐ป-๐ง๐ต๐ฟ๐ผ๐ ๐ฅ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ง๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ (Dthrow RTC) greatly expands her chain-grab and followup potential on fastfallers.
Landing a Grab on a platform allows her to consistently Grab - Death, KO'ing her opponents at nearly any percent!
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Landing a Grab on a platform allows her to consistently Grab - Death, KO'ing her opponents at nearly any percent!
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Before explaining Dthrow RTC, it's important to discuss the common situation in which fastfallers DI onto a platform from Upthrow
If they tech-roll, Peach is able to fullhop DJL and regrab, but tech in-place is an issue. Her frame-advantage is variable due to DI and percent
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If they tech-roll, Peach is able to fullhop DJL and regrab, but tech in-place is an issue. Her frame-advantage is variable due to DI and percent
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There's a few important thresholds in terms of frame-advantage.
+๐ฎ = Dsmash (Beat Spacie Spotdodge and Dash) & Grab mix. Float Nair mix (hits / is plus on block)
+๐ฏ = Dsmash Beats Falcon Spotdodge
+๐ฑ = Dsmash Confirm
+๐ฒ = Grab (not vs Shine)
+๐ณ = Grab
+๐ด = Turn Grab
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+๐ฎ = Dsmash (Beat Spacie Spotdodge and Dash) & Grab mix. Float Nair mix (hits / is plus on block)
+๐ฏ = Dsmash Beats Falcon Spotdodge
+๐ฑ = Dsmash Confirm
+๐ฒ = Grab (not vs Shine)
+๐ณ = Grab
+๐ด = Turn Grab
(3/11)
Peach's Upthrow to Side-Platform Frame-Advantage (P1, Battlefield) pt.1
Only tested BF, but YS/PS = Lower %. DL = Higher %.
๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฐ๐ผ
โ Behind
50%: +2
69%: +5
75%: +6
82%: +7
88%: +8
โ Neutral
41%: +2
59%: +5
66%: +6
72%: +7
โ Away
56%: +2
75%: +5
81%: +6
88%: +7
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Only tested BF, but YS/PS = Lower %. DL = Higher %.
๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฐ๐ผ
โ Behind
50%: +2
69%: +5
75%: +6
82%: +7
88%: +8
โ Neutral
41%: +2
59%: +5
66%: +6
72%: +7
โ Away
56%: +2
75%: +5
81%: +6
88%: +7
(4/11)
Pt2
๐๐ผ๐
โ
69%: +2
82%: +5
87%: +6
92%: +7
96%: +8
โ
59%: +2
72%: +5
77%: +6
81%: +7
โ
75%: +2
88%: +5
93%: +6
97%: +7
๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป
โ
50%: +2
57%: +3
69%: +5
74%: +6
78%: +7
โ
41%: +2
48%: +3
59%: +5
64%: +6
68%: +7
โ
56%: +2
63%: +3
75%: +5
80%: +6
84%: +7
(5/11)
๐๐ผ๐
โ
69%: +2
82%: +5
87%: +6
92%: +7
96%: +8
โ
59%: +2
72%: +5
77%: +6
81%: +7
โ
75%: +2
88%: +5
93%: +6
97%: +7
๐๐ฎ๐น๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป
โ
50%: +2
57%: +3
69%: +5
74%: +6
78%: +7
โ
41%: +2
48%: +3
59%: +5
64%: +6
68%: +7
โ
56%: +2
63%: +3
75%: +5
80%: +6
84%: +7
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After connecting with a Grab on a platform, Peach will pick Dthrow or Upthrow based on her positioning.
If she is near and facing the edge of the platform, Dthrow.
If near centre (can DI Dthrow off of the platform), Upthrow.
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If she is near and facing the edge of the platform, Dthrow.
If near centre (can DI Dthrow off of the platform), Upthrow.
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Afterwards, generally she wants to dash back to her victim's tech location and hold slight-down during the Dash
Tech In-Place: Dash Grab (press Z)
Tech Roll: Dash Grab (close to edge)
Missed: Crouch (Hold Full Down)
DashbackโDJL can be used to read missed tech with Dtilt
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Tech In-Place: Dash Grab (press Z)
Tech Roll: Dash Grab (close to edge)
Missed: Crouch (Hold Full Down)
DashbackโDJL can be used to read missed tech with Dtilt
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If she's right on the platform's edge, her opponent DI's in, and doesn't roll away, Peach can be pushed off the platform as she turns around.
๐๐ผ๐-๐ ๐ถ๐ฑ%:
Fox: Wait 10f after Fox lands.
Falco: โ 11f
Falcon: โ 17f
๐๐ถ๐ด๐ต% + Falcon: Pivot toward centre of platform.
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๐๐ผ๐-๐ ๐ถ๐ฑ%:
Fox: Wait 10f after Fox lands.
Falco: โ 11f
Falcon: โ 17f
๐๐ถ๐ด๐ต% + Falcon: Pivot toward centre of platform.
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In order to finish a Dthrow RTC sequence, Peach can preemptively (sub/low) float at their tech location. Afterwards, she can react to their miss/in-place with a Nair. She can drop it and Dash โ Nair the tech-rolls.
She can also do standard Upthrow finishers (try Upsmash)!
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She can also do standard Upthrow finishers (try Upsmash)!
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How long does Dthrow work? Works at listed percent (%) w/ optimal DI.
"Stand" = Standing next to victim at edge
๐๐
Stand | Edge | Edge w/ DI Away
Fox: 99% | 136% | 147%
Falco: 82% | 130%
Falcon: 89% | 135%
๐ฌ๐ฆ
Fox: 50% | 100%
Falco: 38% | 84%
Falcon: 43% | 93%
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"Stand" = Standing next to victim at edge
๐๐
Stand | Edge | Edge w/ DI Away
Fox: 99% | 136% | 147%
Falco: 82% | 130%
Falcon: 89% | 135%
๐ฌ๐ฆ
Fox: 50% | 100%
Falco: 38% | 84%
Falcon: 43% | 93%
(10/11)
๐๐ผ๐
Stand | Edge
Fox: 21% | 78%
Falco: 9% | 64%
Falcon: 19% | 71%
๐ฃ๐ฆ
Fox: 33% | 87%
Falco: 24% | 77%
Falcon: 29% | 81%
๐๐ (left platform)
Fox: 31% | 85%
Falco: 22% | 74%
Falcon: 27% | 80%
DL Top Plat โ BF
DL's right platform is slightly larger than its left.
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Stand | Edge
Fox: 21% | 78%
Falco: 9% | 64%
Falcon: 19% | 71%
๐ฃ๐ฆ
Fox: 33% | 87%
Falco: 24% | 77%
Falcon: 29% | 81%
๐๐ (left platform)
Fox: 31% | 85%
Falco: 22% | 74%
Falcon: 27% | 80%
DL Top Plat โ BF
DL's right platform is slightly larger than its left.
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