MAP Pride - a short thread.

Generally speaking, I& #39;m not a big fan of "MAP Pride" or the flag. A couple reasons for this:

1) I see the value in rejecting shame, but not sure I feel proud of being a MAP.

2) It seems to be just carbon copying the LGBT+ movement, which isn& #39;t >
> a perfect analogy for our struggle.

3) As a matter of pure tactics, I think it& #39;s highly alienating to the people we& #39;re trying to persuade.

However, I think one of the biggest issues people have about MAP pride is that it tends to throw into relief the inherent illogic >
> of LGBT+ pride.

People don& #39;t choose to be lesbian, bi, gay, or trans, either, so what is Pride all about? If it& #39;s about pride in being able to acknowledge your gender and your sexuality openly in society, well, then, that goes for MAPs too.

If it& #39;s about being proud >
> that you can go further and actually have sex with the people you want to, then no, that doesn& #39;t go for MAPs, but then what about the LGB folk who can& #39;t have sex? Have they nothing to be proud of?

If it& #39;s about facing down stigma and creating a mutually supportive community >
> of understanding, and showing the world you& #39;re here for each other, well, that& #39;s a MAP thing too.

For me, becoming a gay adult in the 90s, I always felt a little uncomfortable with the tribalism and slight unthinkingness of Pride, and I feel the same way now about it in >
> its MAP guise....

But, that said, I can& #39;t see any reason why, if one blameless group can have it, another shouldn& #39;t.

I& #39;m just not sure our case doesn& #39;t prove that it& #39;s not especially logical anywhere. ::
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