"Only 12% of virus deaths in Italy were directly due to covid-19. The remaining 88% had pre-existing conditions."

This point is meaningless without knowing: How common are pre-existing conditions? Asthma& #39;s one. So 110,000 kids in NZ have a pre-existing condition.

NZ already has a high rate of respiratory infections because of our cold, mouldy houses. And then about 15% of NZers over 45 have COPD, another respiratory condition. These affect Māori & Pacific people disproportionately. We have lots of people with pre-existing conditions.

Like, it& #39;s fine to come up with a covid-19 management strategy that involves a lot of people dying, but you should probably be honest about how many people you& #39;re putting at risk and who those people are likely to be.

It& #39;s also weird to advocate for a kind of "survival of the fittest" when our health system is *literally designed* to help the unfittest have long and fulfilling lives.

I& #39;m pretty sure each of us really like quite a few people who aren& #39;t part of the majority who will be fine with covid-19.

It seems to me that our values are more in line with "personal sacrifice to protect loved ones" than "they sacrifice so I can continue my life as normal".