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Thread on why clinching is worse in modern Muay Thai:

You see a lot of older fighters saying there& #39;s more clinching in MT nowadays and that makes it bad, but they& #39;re usually femeus and it kind of seems like salty femeus upset that people keep clinching. https://twitter.com/Muay_Khaoboy/status/1248316680079577088">https://twitter.com/Muay_Khao...

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I don& #39;t think there& #39;s more clinching in the modern game, in a sense there& #39;s less. You used to see clinching go for entire rounds where guys would constantly improve their position and do damage. Hell, Wangchannoi had a round once that was basically just knees from over/under

The main problem, as I see it, is that the clinch is broken up so much faster nowadays. They might do this to limit clinching, but it does the opposite.

It& #39;s like kickboxing - limiting clinch doesn& #39;t get rid of it. You have the same amnt of clinch work, it& #39;s just shitty now

It incentivizes stalling. If you know you can just grab a body lock and hold for a couple seconds and the ref will break it, there& #39;s no incentive to try and fight back in the clinch vs a clincher and improve your position. Similarly, it& #39;s often broke before guys can do damage

I& #39;ve seen @_ittu complain about clinch being broken up quickly nowadays and say that they let it go on longer in the provinces, but I only watch major stadium fights.

I& #39;ve also heard there& #39;s been a lot of changes to the scoring due to gambling, but I& #39;ve never really got a...

coherent explanation as to why. From comparing different eras, it does seem that non-clean clinch work (like side knees to the ribs) is weighted a bit higher nowadays and things that aren& #39;t body kicks or knees weighed a bit less

Another thing impacting the quality of clinching is that the talent level has gone down. There just isn& #39;t guys like Dieselnoi, Lamnamoon, Langsuan, etc anymore. Wangchannoi was a muay mat with a boxing-oriented style and he was still, to my eye, better in the clinch than anyone

around today aside from a small number of dedicated muay khao& #39;s, who usually aren& #39;t that great outside the clinch. Fighters tended to be a lot more well-rounded in the golden age and you& #39;d have muay khao& #39;s having competitve clinch battles with other types of fighters, but not

*now, there& #39;s more stalling from guys who prefer fighting outside the clinch.

Another thing I suspect might& #39;ve impacted it - around the late 90& #39;s/early 2000& #39;s the gloves got bigger, which might make it harder to find clean positions and do clean work in the clinch

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