lrt honestly i feel like a lot of an apology is how we interact with it? if someone gives a good apology what you're supposed to do is say "precisely, now go do your homework" and not make it a spell to forgive them

whether koebel actually took things to heart and will work on them, which i guess i don't doubt or don't want to doubt since this is coming from a person a lot of people trusted??, is irrelevant, the relevant part is we can't afford to react to apologies like they fix everything

also, the intention of an apology should be accountability, but as for the audience reaction, the expected one should be, like.... lack of the judgement getting /worse/ (because not owning up to things is a bad deed in itself), not the judgement getting /better/

idk if i'm making sense but essentially when people get harsh about apologies even from people that are likely to be genuine, it's often less about teaching that person, and more about teaching the recipients not to forget everything just bc you like someone and they ask nicely

or should i say, the third parties, because after all the recipients should be the directly affected and they can think whatever they want

idk this thread is kinda pointless because i have not seen people standing in his defense on my tl but there are many outside of that who are all too eager to stop criticism when someone says sorry

and there IS a certain degree of criticism you withhold when someone has shown accountability (i.e. if they know this is bad and don't continue the behavior, we don't have to keep telling them it is) but this withholding should come after there's proof of action i guess