Since I last attempted to give advice to romanceless men I heard from a lot of them on Putanumonit, Twitter, and by email. I think that the main thing I underestimated is the remarkable lengths some of them would go to self-sabotage. https://twitter.com/yashkaf/status/1155159558723121154">https://twitter.com/yashkaf/s...

Guys who are skeptical of 99% of social science research will credulously share the same list of bad papers proving that women are nasty and not to be trusted, and claim that is the reason why they fail.

Guys who complain about looks-based hypergamy use Tinder as their only online dating app, even though Tinder is worst, most looks-based, and most inequality-reinforcing app.

Guys who complain that there are no decent women looking for relationships look for women in the sorts of online forums that decent women who have their shit together avoid. They scoff at the suggestion that these women are out there in book meetups and dance classes, not Reddit.

And I would bet, although I don& #39;t have much direct evidence of this, that they find reasons to mentally reject any woman who shows some interest in them that doesn& #39;t fit their imagined ideal.

Step 0 in my advice thread was to GTFO of incel forums. Not because they promote violence and misogyny, but because they build for these men an identity of victims oppressed by society. And giving up an identity can be much more painful than mere loneliness.